05-07-2013, 04:50 PM | #61 |
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obviously i can't answer as a muslim, but your question is relevant to a number of countries that have recently gone through the so-called arab spring.
egypt in particular is facing issues with population control as the new muslim government does not want to promote contraception (it was heavily promoted under the previous government). that would indicate, to me at least, that it is frowned upon. at least to some degree. resources such as inhabitable land and water are scarce in desert nations (many of which are muslim), so i would think population control is an important issue. i'd also be interested to know if there is an official standpoint on contraception/family planning.
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However, I do agree, that some people say that contraception is forbidden, however, those people are neither in a place to say that, nor do they have the knowledge to say such thing. Sorry for long reply I just wanted to be detailed |
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05-08-2013, 09:54 AM | #63 |
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Hello, first of all excellent thread, your answers have been very illuminating.
My question is how can you reconcile the fact that the most important prophet seems to be such an unsavoury character? Also, would you agree that he was a paedophile? IIRC Aisha was only 6 when she married him and 9 when the marriage was consummated, whereas Mohammed was in his 50s. Also unless I'm mistaken it's recorded in Sahih Muslim that he beat Aisha as well. Personally I think he sounds like a bit of a bad egg. |
05-13-2013, 01:13 PM | #64 |
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Just leaving this here to give a simple explanation to certain people.
Extremely interesting thread though!
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05-14-2013, 10:54 AM | #65 |
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The islam allows man to slap the shit out of their wives, why would anyone believe that this god is a good god? The islam also wants it's followers to kill all the people that don't believe in allah.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ad-aisha-truth - says it all. "The Islam" doesn't advocate killing non-believers at all nor does ask men to "slap the shit out of their wives". Genuine questions would be nice.
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05-14-2013, 05:46 PM | #67 |
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I don't know if you are a Muslim or not, but if you are, what are you doing here? Do you think Allah would be pleased if he knew you visit places like this? If Mohammed would be alive, do you think he would browse this forum?
Anyway, about that killing: Quran (2:191-193) "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. And why does the Quran say things like this? Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" or this Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." Why would a good God say anything like that? and lastly, why doesn't God stop all the pain that happens in the world? And why are muslim countries always that fucked up? Even Turkey, a modern muslim country is totally fucked up. |
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I don't have a question, but I just wanted to say that I've been reading the thread and I've found the whole thing fascinating. I've learned a lot about the Muslim religion. It really seems like a beautiful religion. Thanks for sharing, Pingu.
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I haven't pasted the whole paragraph as it's just pasted from an anti-Islamic site. Firstly, the quote from the Qur'an that you have pasted is missing the initial paragraph which is: "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." If you want it spelled out to you then that means you can defend yourself but do not transgress defending yourself. i.e. Do not go and attack innocent people so again your killing quote is wrong. If you want to quote stuff from other websites, please ensure that you actually have researched the topic yourself. Quote:
But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them [lightly]. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. A correct quote, it is the last resort and it is "lightly" not "beat the hell out of them". Quote:
Your next statement is quite frankly absurd. Not all Muslim countries are "fucked up" as you put it. Some of it is down to Western interference and some of it is down to greed. To blame it on religion is an incredibly stupid statement. Although if your viewpoint is that "all Muslim countries are fucked up" then I'll just need to remind you of Germany's history under the Nazi party.
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05-15-2013, 12:22 PM | #70 |
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No problem. I am glad you have found it informative.
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05-23-2013, 05:27 AM | #71 |
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I would like to hear your view on this story
http://www.smh.com.au/world/child-ra...523-2k2ch.html I personally find it abhorrent, but it seems that sharia law permits such things. Do you think or hope that there will come a time when Islam is no longer associated with these kinds of stories?
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05-24-2013, 12:11 PM | #72 |
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Not sure how they came to such a decision. Sex (regardless of age) outside of marrige is now allowed so even if there was consent then there would be a whole host of reasons why it would be wrong.
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This is a personal question so I will thoroughly understand if anyone does not want to answer it, but how do Muslims feel about being blamed for the actions of two people who killed a british soldier for their 'country' when they were born and raised in britain.
http://news.sky.com/story/1094804/wo...dier-lee-rigby I would like to make it clear that I, in no way, am shallow enough to generalisr and blame all muslims for this outrage but am interested in peoples response. Mostly because I do have family serving for the british army and am proud of it. If anyone is offended in anuway through this, please pm me and I will remove it, I dont want to cause an argument.
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I know the vast majority of people wouldn't blame Islam and therefore I don't feel much.
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05-25-2013, 02:01 PM | #75 |
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I thought I read somewhere the Muslims usually view "the Qur'an" as the original scripture as revealed in Arabic and that any translations are necessarily deficient. I was just curious as to why a religon would not allow it to be tranlated into another languege, if it where not hinding anything? Now I understand certain words do not translate into english very good, but that happens with almost any translation into any language on the planet. Or are they just really strict in the way they read "the Qur'an", which does not allow said translation. Or am I just reading to much into it?
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