Best Songwriter of all time? - Page 3

rocketfish · 12-20-2009, 12:57 AM

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I understand that, but someone who is not a songwriter, such as anyone who puts random words together that rhyme, and calls it a song is simply not a songwriter.

"A songwriter is someone who writes the lyrics, as well as the musical composition or melody to songs. One who writes only lyrics is a lyricist, while one who writes only music is a composer."
soo in my opinion some one like lil wayne is a songwriter but you just dont think hes a good one because he puts random words together that rhyme. to some people he is a good songwriter. oh and i did give you a good song writer ... Johnathon coulton

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If there is a techno song that is completely instrumental, (typically digital) It does not even apply to the thread

yes that is true but techno can still be in this thread people like basshunter or cascada have good music and they still have lyrics

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to say I am hating on a type of music is bull shit

i do agree there but i tend to like music that relates to me more than anything else and when i said i hate a lot of the old music i meant bands like led zeppelin and stuff not for the music it self but the singers (i don't know i just hate there voices)

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In order to be a great songwriter, it typically requires hit albums and long term popularity.

i don't agree TO BE A GREAT SONGWRITER you have to write great songs not be popular. (again if this makes no sense im gonna blame im tired and its 3 am)

NYDude · 12-20-2009, 01:17 AM

Lyrical wise, i'm going to say Marilyn Manson, being a fan of him and listening to his music he knows how to provoke such emotion in his lyrics.

Musically, my favorite of all time is Randy Rhoads and i'm afraid that'll never change

Crusher_63 · 12-20-2009, 01:32 AM

Just off the top of my head I was going to say John Lennon.

Can't argue with Bob Dylan. He wrote a lot of songs for other people too.

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Originally Posted by Big_below101

Don't give me some crap about Hannah Montanan or Axl Rose.

Educated Answers only please.

I would have to go with, Bob Dylan, then Lennon/McCartney.

interesting · 12-20-2009, 01:37 AM

Leonard Cohen.

Sting.

'nuff said

Star Girl · 12-20-2009, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by interesting

Leonard Cohen.

Sting.

'nuff said

Leonard Cohen definitely has to be in there somewhere.

Night-1991 · 12-20-2009, 06:05 AM

John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Freddie Mercury, Bruce Dickinson.

Everyone else is dirt compared to them. None of the new breed can stand up to the greatness. It's hard to believe kids are into such twaddle like Nick Jonas and Miley Cyrus.

And Please cut the crap trolling of the likes of Green Day, they're actually impressive, singing about todays climate, both in a political and social sense.

Green Day are good, nuff said, and this is coming from someone who's obsessed with The Beatles. My Chemical Romance are good, Nickelback are good etc..

3OH!3 and Jonas Brothers?....well....i draw the line there.

Just stop trolling other peoples tastes, get a life and listen to your own.

Star Girl · 12-20-2009, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Night-1991

John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Freddie Mercury, Bruce Dickinson.

Everyone else is dirt compared to them. None of the new breed can stand up to the greatness. It's hard to believe kids are into such twaddle like Nick Jonas and Miley Cyrus.

I agree with all of those too.

nd wt do u meen i lv da jobros n hannah montanna. dey r so good.
Or not.

emo · 12-20-2009, 06:13 AM

as singers i like a lot but im not sure if all of them are the writers but one i really like is Basshunter, a friend told me about him and i full in love with him ever since
my favorite song yet is beer in a bar

ac123 · 12-20-2009, 11:18 AM

Connor oberst aka bright eyes, thom yorke(radiohead), brian molko(placebo), john lennon, bob dylan.

Big_below101 · 12-20-2009, 11:34 AM

but, I have never seen a DJ awarded a grammy, except grand master flash.

I understand its a personal choice, who, but I should have made it more clear,
Here is a list, of songwriters, that are considered "great", by experts.

http://songwritershalloffame.org/exhibits/era

andrew_b · 12-20-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ac123

Connor oberst aka bright eyes

listened to him once and needed a wack in the head to wake up :P

myswagga · 12-20-2009, 02:30 PM

honestly what do you have against rap? i dont mean songs about bitches, murdering and money like lil wayne and people but like real rap with meaningful value. listen to alotta kanye west and kid cudi stuff and you understand what rap is really about. just give it a try. and for all you hypocrites you can hear the lyrics in rap and it isnt abunch of words put together that rhyme it has a beat and a meaningful value which is considered REAL music and GOOD music. the rap songs have just as good as lyrics as like john elton and the beatles and green day just sung differently. Listen, i like green day and almost all the other artists mentioned in this thread, but the kinda rap i listen to is just a lot better lyrics and a lot better flow and meaning. listen, thats not my opinion and im not trying to offend anying. i dont wanna start a big argument so please dont take this as an insult.

Big_below101 · 12-20-2009, 09:34 PM

I have nothing against rap, I just feel that most of the rap now, is just a bunch of words, with a catchy chorus. Kid Cudi, I would have to say is number one right now on the rap spectrum, as a lyrical generous. But, i feel that most of lil Waynes music, is not deep at all. When I listen to one of his songs, I almost always end it scratching my head asking myself wtf was that song about? But once again, I would have to say, the older rap music, was alot more sentimental and deeper. Tupac and NWA, to name a couple. But once again, I bring up the factor of long term success. Kid Cudi, has had one album, and 2 more to come. That simply can not compare to the 29 hit albums the Beatles put out, as well as the 54 albums Bob Dylan has released. All I am trying to say, its hard to backup someone, who has good lyrics, but only a couple of albums, when the whole world of music is showing you otherwise.

Mephistopheles · 12-20-2009, 11:40 PM

best? Gonna have to say Dylan.

now then, what might make this more interesting/less "OMG ARTIST XYZ SUXX" is if people list a favorite in addition to a best.

The difference? Favorite would be one who is good and who you especially like; it doesn't necessitate claiming that they are the best ever.

as for my favorite? Billy Corgan.

broob009 · 12-27-2009, 02:50 AM

Me. ;D

Tis True.

12-20-2009, 01:37 AM	#34
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12-20-2009, 06:05 AM	#36
Night-1991 Account Banned Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,216 Blog Entries: 86	John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Freddie Mercury, Bruce Dickinson. Everyone else is dirt compared to them. None of the new breed can stand up to the greatness. It's hard to believe kids are into such twaddle like Nick Jonas and Miley Cyrus. And Please cut the crap trolling of the likes of Green Day, they're actually impressive, singing about todays climate, both in a political and social sense. Green Day are good, nuff said, and this is coming from someone who's obsessed with The Beatles. My Chemical Romance are good, Nickelback are good etc.. 3OH!3 and Jonas Brothers?....well....i draw the line there. Just stop trolling other peoples tastes, get a life and listen to your own. Last edited by Night-1991; 12-20-2009 at 06:09 AM.

12-20-2009, 11:34 AM	#40
Big_below101 Account Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 18	I'm not trying to be an ass but, I have never seen a DJ awarded a grammy, except grand master flash. I understand its a personal choice, who, but I should have made it more clear, Here is a list, of songwriters, that are considered "great", by experts. http://songwritershalloffame.org/exhibits/era __________________ - Bondage: Torture: Enema: Spanking: CBT: Anal: Oral: Wet games - Scat: Blood: Long Lasting Harm

12-20-2009, 02:30 PM	#42
myswagga Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: usa Posts: 92	wtf honestly what do you have against rap? i dont mean songs about bitches, murdering and money like lil wayne and people but like real rap with meaningful value. listen to alotta kanye west and kid cudi stuff and you understand what rap is really about. just give it a try. and for all you hypocrites you can hear the lyrics in rap and it isnt abunch of words put together that rhyme it has a beat and a meaningful value which is considered REAL music and GOOD music. the rap songs have just as good as lyrics as like john elton and the beatles and green day just sung differently. Listen, i like green day and almost all the other artists mentioned in this thread, but the kinda rap i listen to is just a lot better lyrics and a lot better flow and meaning. listen, thats not my opinion and im not trying to offend anying. i dont wanna start a big argument so please dont take this as an insult. __________________ Male USA

12-20-2009, 09:34 PM	#43
Big_below101 Account Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 18	Rap I have nothing against rap, I just feel that most of the rap now, is just a bunch of words, with a catchy chorus. Kid Cudi, I would have to say is number one right now on the rap spectrum, as a lyrical generous. But, i feel that most of lil Waynes music, is not deep at all. When I listen to one of his songs, I almost always end it scratching my head asking myself wtf was that song about? But once again, I would have to say, the older rap music, was alot more sentimental and deeper. Tupac and NWA, to name a couple. But once again, I bring up the factor of long term success. Kid Cudi, has had one album, and 2 more to come. That simply can not compare to the 29 hit albums the Beatles put out, as well as the 54 albums Bob Dylan has released. All I am trying to say, its hard to backup someone, who has good lyrics, but only a couple of albums, when the whole world of music is showing you otherwise. __________________ - Bondage: Torture: Enema: Spanking: CBT: Anal: Oral: Wet games - Scat: Blood: Long Lasting Harm

12-20-2009, 01:17 AM	#32
NYDude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Posts: 145 Blog Entries: 1	Lyrical wise, i'm going to say Marilyn Manson, being a fan of him and listening to his music he knows how to provoke such emotion in his lyrics. Musically, my favorite of all time is Randy Rhoads and i'm afraid that'll never change

12-20-2009, 06:13 AM	#38
emo Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA NYC Posts: 38	as singers i like a lot but im not sure if all of them are the writers but one i really like is Basshunter, a friend told me about him and i full in love with him ever since my favorite song yet is beer in a bar

12-20-2009, 11:18 AM	#39
ac123 Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 30	Connor oberst aka bright eyes, thom yorke(radiohead), brian molko(placebo), john lennon, bob dylan.

12-20-2009, 11:40 PM	#44
Mephistopheles and amen I say unto you Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 328	best? Gonna have to say Dylan. now then, what might make this more interesting/less "OMG ARTIST XYZ SUXX" is if people list a favorite in addition to a best. The difference? Favorite would be one who is good and who you especially like; it doesn't necessitate claiming that they are the best ever. as for my favorite? Billy Corgan.

12-27-2009, 02:50 AM	#45
broob009 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 167	Me. ;D Tis True.