Death Penalty

[silverwall]

Death can never be reversed. I feel even if there is that 1/1000 innocent person that dies that the death pently should not be used. But then again some people do deserve it and what would we do with all those people. But I can honestly say I would feel worse about killing someone innocent then stuffing 999 people in jail.

[Darkwater]

The risk of putting a innocent man to death is too big (it has happened too much already), and as far as i know it's cheaper to rehabilitate people than it is to lock them up just to put them to death too.

But that is the main problem in the US anyway from what i have read and seen. Prisons are for-profit institutions, places where slavery is practiced legally with great profits for those running them. And so there is no interest in rehabilitation from those who run them, because it would cut into the profits and thus how much money they make. Which means that people are kicked out of jail without having be taught how to live normal lives, often doomed to end up back in jail because the system fucks them over. I am sure everyone realizes the problems which result from that.

(also fun to contrast it with those who are filthy rich and can thus get away with collapsing the economy on a world-wide scale, plunging vast amounts of people into poverty and debt)

[jamness]

makes us sink as low as they are.

[cbtslave4u2]

well just because we can buy military grade guns and rifles doesnt mean we have a higher murder rate. it is because we have a much larger tpopulation than european countries. i have never turned the tv on and saw "man with uzi kills 30 people". what happened in Arizona with the congresswoman and her constituants is extremely rare. that guy who did it should die, i dont care if he's crazy.

[Sharp Nacelle]

Originally Posted by cbtslave4u2

... it is because we have a much larger tpopulation than european countries...

No it isn't. When you take into account the population levels, Americans murder about 4 times more people than Australians, British or Germans for example.

[Jacques]

Originally Posted by Sharp Nacelle

No it isn't. When you take into account the population levels, Americans murder about 4 times more people than Australians, British or Germans for example.

To emphasise your point, it's not Austrailia, Britain OR Germany, adjusted for population the US murder rate is something like more than all three combined.

[cbtslave4u2]

ok, fine sharp... i misspoke.

[cbtslave4u2]

well i looked up the statistics and Eastern Europe is worse than here.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

[Sharp Nacelle]

Originally Posted by cbtslave4u2

well i looked up the statistics and Eastern Europe is worse than here.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Yes, but are you really proud that the US has a lower murder rate than Kyrgyzstan, Georgia and Belarus?

[cbtslave4u2]

Originally Posted by Sharp Nacelle

Yes, but are you really proud that the US has a lower murder rate than Kyrgyzstan, Georgia and Belarus?

and Russia! dont forget Russia! but no I'm not proud of that but there isn't anything we can do about gun laws. conservatives will never in a million years support anything to control guns. in arizona the legislature passed a law to allow guns on school campuses, their governor vetoed it because it wasnt written good enough. the texas legislature is working on a similar bill that will pass.

[cbtslave4u2]

i mean university campuses.

[Bigbear]

Ok for all you who say no Death Penalty is wrong your not in that situation put yourself in the shoes of a Family whos son or daughter was kidnapped raped multiple times and then buried alive (actual case)see if then you dont agree with the death penalty

[DareMeNow1]

Originally Posted by Aries_Laetus

We just had this discussion in one of my classes the other week or so. The class was about 1/2 and 1/2 on it so we made a T table. On the "yes" side we put to lessen crowding, lessen cost, act as prevention and so on. On the "no" side we did its wrong, eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, vengence is not just, what if they are innocent like they are sometimes....ect. I will cut to the chase. By the end of the class we were all on the no side. We really looked at what we had on each side and rulled them all out except for the "no"' side's vengence and get them off the face of the world points. We found facts and examples for this whole thing. And the only reason we could see people justifying giving someone the death penalty was to rid them off the faace of the earth. Now, there are some truly horrifying people on this earth, and they I would gladly like to be rid of for all of our sakes. But what about the innocent? What happens to them? They die for no reason other than a bad way of doing things. I understand, they killed your little girl, she was only 22, I get that. But they have a family too. What happens to them? 1005 of people in a poll about this said they did NOT feel better after the killers death. NOT. That is the key word. If we are looking for "an eye for an eye" so to speak, and then do NOT feel better after it? Doesnt that make it wrong for everyone? Leave them in jail, let them rot in a cement room with 2 hrs of tv a day and no visitors. Let the not see how their families grow. Let them miss out on life for taking another's. I believe that is how it should be.


Sorry a bit of a rant there.

-Aries

Yes I guess innocents can be killed but it's unlikely. To say no to the death penalty simply for that reason is like saying guns should be illegal because innocent people can be killed

[Sharp Nacelle]

Originally Posted by Bigbear

Ok for all you who say no Death Penalty is wrong your not in that situation put yourself in the shoes of a Family whos son or daughter was kidnapped raped multiple times and then buried alive (actual case)see if then you dont agree with the death penalty

Fortunately, I'm not in that situation. But when choosing the appropriate sentence for a crime, society should make a rational decision. That's why we have judges, juries, lawyers and legal processes rather than mob rule. Sentences should be chosen to reflect what society as a whole thinks is most appropriate, taking into account fair punishment, a deterrent effect on that offender and others, and a proportionate retributive desire. Just doing what the victim wants isn't true justice.

[Sharp Nacelle]

Originally Posted by DareMeNow1

Yes I guess innocents can be killed but it's unlikely. To say no to the death penalty simply for that reason is like saying guns should be illegal because innocent people can be killed

If you look at each case individually then it is indeed unlikely that an innocent person will be killed. But we're being asked to choose a penalty for murder in general, not in one specific case, and when looked at in general it's not unlikely. In fact it's so likely that it's practically inevitable. So how many innocent deaths are acceptable to you? But no matter how many you think is acceptable, a punishment for killing innocent people that itself kills innocent people doesn't sound like a very sensible option to me.