The Picture Debate

[Looking4somename]

In four word: it is NOT LEGAL

I am not familiar with the exact law in other countries, but I can assume that almost everywhere around the world Publishing adult-meterial in a website without a warning that the website contains content that is only suitable to 18/21 year old is against the law. Further more, Depp can not take responsibility over the pictures someone might upload, and in case there will be illegal photos (minors, for example) - things can get ugly for him.

I am not sure how the law treats forums or other forms of websites where the users are responsible for uploading the content, though I am sure that the owner of the website will either be found somewhat responsible or atleast have a few things to worry about. No one wants to mess around with the law.

You want pictures of naked people - Google "porn" or something.
You want to send pictures to your friends - use either Emails, IMs or PMs.
You want someone to send you pictures of a dare or something - ask them personaly through PMs.

[Hampers]

I think that the post above has put my thoughts smack-bang on the money.

[Dominantjohn]

Originally Posted by naughty_chloe

Okay John I admit that my reply was kinda cynical maybe but it wasn't directed on you personally I think I was responding from a getDare female member standpoint here as we are very sollicited to send/provide pics. Some use "subtle" hints in their sig, some others even go as far as to PM girls with stuff like "Can I have a pic of your pussy?" (Yeah, I've received those...)

As far as the "proof" part is concerned I am maybe not the best judge as far as dares & TorD are concerned as I'm more involved with the D/s community of this board. But from this standpoint I can tell that as much as "proof" maybe important, trust is just as much. When I seeked for Master I received a countless number of replies with the 1st question being : Do you have a camera? I never lied about having one when I got it but why should I send very private things from the get-go? So if that applies in a M/s relationship, when it involves only 2 persons then imagine posting... Again, not directed to you personally but this whole "I want proof" stuff is being used profusely & the majority of those saying it don't want proof, they want skin... Let's face it, really...

So yeah my response was more general than only to you as I would have used PM if it would have been the case

*phew*. Glad to clear the air on that one. Definitely took it to be directed to me at the time as I'm the only one that seems to be fighting for it right now, LOL (and no, I won't ask for proof that it wasn't directed at me :-P). I see where you're coming from for *most* people . . . but for me, it's all about the actual proof . . . never about the skin. Like someone else said on here it's a combo of the 2 (the psychology of it and actually knowing that they did it) that's the best part.

In terms of the D/s thing, it really is left up to the Dom/slave to work out their own arrangements. But it could also be expressed that yes I have a camera but at this point I'm not willing to share pictures of these types. Soft limit that can be talked about at a later point in time. If you noticed in my post I just put that I was looking for some verification of the tasks. Never once did I say "on day one I will be asking for nude pictures". In terms of "masters" out there we know the majority are just looking to get their rocks off and don't have a complete understanding of what this is about. But for me it really is about the proof.


As far as the warning part of it goes, it's easy: Put a disclaimer in the TOS that this may contain adult content if you're over 18+ and leave it at that. I'm not interested in breaking any laws or things with kids that young . . . in my opinion (with no offense) they really don't know enough and/or are mature enough ON A GENERAL LEVEL to be doing these kinds of things. (There are always exceptions to every rule, however the laws are there to protect the masses). In terms of the kids I already agreed with sum(1) that the only real way around this was to make it 18+. And you can disclaim it right in the forums before any posts.


There are ways around the whole uploading of content. Look at craigslist or some of these other blogs (eg: digg) places. They claim that the poster is soley responsible for their posts, and that they are merely providing the service to exchange the ideas, that the ideas or posts themselves do not in anyway represent them.


This is all moot depending on what Depp launches if anything. I'm just explaining merely where I'm coming from in terms of "pics or it didn't happen." I agree with the whole if I want porn, I can go to google or any number of porn blogs to see that. But for me it's about having the dares and having them done. If we were all playing in person we would be able to see ... to a degree.

This was written way past my bedtime in a 1/8 buzz stupor so don't mind me if I repeated myself or some of my grammar is off. I hope it makes sense and
so I really hope you understand where I coming from.

And if there was any doubt it your mind, my point exactly:
http://www.getdare.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=10769

To avoid idiots like this moron who have nothing better to do with their time than waste mine.

[andom4444]

I think the facts are, Depp does not want pictures on this site as it is open to a younger and older age base, howevere, as he stated, there is something he is working on. lets wait and see shall we.

[ewitch]

I have seen other sites which desended into give us a photo of X as almost every thread. I would not want to many reqesting posts here.

[depp]

Photos of this nature go against what this site has been since its inception, a place for all ages to explore Truth or Dare. The expansion past just Truth or Dare has created an environment where it has been hard for both young and old to co-exist. Not old do I walk a fine legal line by allowing images here it would complicate advertising. Advertising pays the bills and has allowed me to fund the creation of the secret project.

My new project is close to launch and was created to address the problems I have seen here. I want to give users what they want. Unfortunately I don't feel getDare can possibly please everyone and the current interests of users. Being an all ages site getDare can't touch everything. This new project should have been out a week ago but certain realities have held it back. The biggest problem has been that school is coming to a close and my free time is close to zero what with final projects and papers. The project will come however. I have already sunk a lot of cash and time into it. This new project, although not Truth or Dare themed, will expand on the more popular and adult aspects of getDare. All responses to the beta have been very positive. All that remains now on the project are template fixes and some minor scripting bugs that I need to stomp out.

[Lizard]

Originally Posted by Dominantjohn

And if there was any doubt it your mind, my point exactly:
http://www.getdare.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=10769

Oh my. I missed that thread because I typically ignore the request for master/slave posts. Point well made.

When I originally started this thread I was thinking only in terms of posting pictures in conjunction with doing a dare, and not in terms of verification as you have pointed out. It is not difficult to understand the thought process behind that at all, but something that I had not considered. I would imagine though, that when it came down to asking for and supplying a picture for verification of ones gender, age, etc., that the exchange would be more in the form of PM, or external email and not in a public thread.

And as you said, while there was no doubt, that thread was an interesting example. It also served to show that there are people who shoot from the hip, and people here that put some thought into what they post. I dont have the exact quote from the thread, but it was along the lines of checking out a poster's other contributions as it might yield some clue as to who they really are. How true that is and it goes far deeper than just their gender.

[Dominantjohn]

Originally Posted by Lizard

Oh my. I missed that thread because I typically ignore the request for master/slave posts. Point well made.

When I originally started this thread I was thinking only in terms of posting pictures in conjunction with doing a dare, and not in terms of verification as you have pointed out. It is not difficult to understand the thought process behind that at all, but something that I had not considered. I would imagine though, that when it came down to asking for and supplying a picture for verification of ones gender, age, etc., that the exchange would be more in the form of PM, or external email and not in a public thread.

And as you said, while there was no doubt, that thread was an interesting example. It also served to show that there are people who shoot from the hip, and people here that put some thought into what they post. I dont have the exact quote from the thread, but it was along the lines of checking out a poster's other contributions as it might yield some clue as to who they really are. How true that is and it goes far deeper than just their gender.

My only response to this would be that if you're doing dares for a general forum, then why not verify for that forum as well. (Sticking to the pics posting only for 18+ given the legalities and complexities of incorporating underage).

Someone else was busted today with multiple ages in a short period of time. I'm not neive, I understand that on sites like this you will get those idiots (especially when including pubecent teens) who pose as girls cause they have time and they think it's cool and all that crap. But why do I have to waste the time researching every person to find out if they're real or not. Whenever I post something (as hopefully evident here) I put thought and effort behind my responses. Same goes with my creativity. So before expending the time and energy I first have to expend even more time trying to figure out if this handle is authentic? And anyone with a bit of understanding could easily pose as ones for a good time without being undetected.


Depp hear where you're coming from, though 2 things come to mind:
1) Must be subliminal ads cause I've never seen an ad on this sight.
2) "Advertising? We don't need no stinking advertising!"


Lastly, thanks all for the reps. I appreciate to be the "unpopular view" but still have my thoughts heard. You guys (and gals) are surely the diamonds among the rough.

I think this horse is pretty much been beaten to death. If anything new comes up I'll be sure to check back.

[depp]

Lastly, thanks all for the reps. I appreciate to be the "unpopular view" but still have my thoughts heard.

I would love to do this but I don't feel I can here for a large number of reasons. Because of this I am working on other solutions.

1) Must be subliminal ads cause I've never seen an ad on this sight.
2) "Advertising? We don't need no stinking advertising!"

Guests see text ads on threads with more than one reply at the very bottom of the page, registered users do not see these. The registered user ad only shows once every six hours if there is an advertiser for your demographic/region. If there are no advertisers or you have already seen one ad in the last six hours nothing is shown. The ads that do show are interstationals. A registered user who is logged in will see one ad every six hours at MOST. I try to make the advertising so it does not bug users. I hate sites with advertisements on every page. Some ads are needed however to pay for the server and software. Every cent this site makes goes towards upgrades and paying to keep it online.

[MM18]

Depp, I see a pop up when I log on, I typically just close it. You probably do not get paid anything for that. How far do I have to continue for you to get something from it, and do you get paid more if I go further, etc etc, an explanation might help you generate more revenue if all user who see this pop up took 30 seconds, well I thing you know where I am going. Anxious to see the new project. Looking for your answer from here as well. Good day, and keep up the good work.

[depp]

On the full page international ads I get paid per advertisement I show. The furthest you have to go is simply viewing the ad. You can go further, if you like the advertiser, but I still make the same amount. Some of these may also display popups. I screen every ad by hand and sometimes stuff gets by me. If I saw a popup I would remove it and not run the ad. I screen everything in Firefox however so sometimes I miss stuff because Firefox is protecting me. The ads should only show once (at most) after viewing 3 forums pages every six or twelve hours (I forget what I have the setting at).

[avpr]

Is Kink Talk Depp's "...response to the pic situation" and the "...secret project that will launch soon" ?

I ask because I assumed it was but the Posting Rules forbid anything that shows "explicit nudity" or "images showing the lower genital region", so I can only assume that this is an entirely separate project and the pic problem will be solved later.

Without tools on Kink Talk that allowed users to easily obscure certain areas of the photos that they upload, I feel that it would be very difficult to post photographs of many Truth or Dare parties without violating the Posting Rules.

[Dominantjohn]

Originally Posted by avpr

Is Kink Talk Depp's "...response to the pic situation" and the "...secret project that will launch soon" ?

I ask because I assumed it was but the Posting Rules forbid anything that shows "explicit nudity" or "images showing the lower genital region", so I can only assume that this is an entirely separate project and the pic problem will be solved later.

Without tools on Kink Talk that allowed users to easily obscure certain areas of the photos that they upload, I feel that it would be very difficult to post photographs of many Truth or Dare parties without violating the Posting Rules.

MSpaint can easily cut out any areas that you don't want to see!

[depp]

If you look at US law this is what it requires me to do unless I open an office, staff it 24/7 and have everyones personal information on file along with images proving they are the people in the pictures. Welcome to America where religious bigots run and influence the country and impose their ideology on others. This is as good as it gets unless the laws change.

[avpr]

Ah, okay, thanks. I'm based in the UK and don't understand US law.

A quick check shows that Dare Ring's servers are located in New York, New York, USA and Newbie Nudes' are located in Clifton, New Jersey, USA. Both sites allow members of the public to post explicit images of themselves. Both sites generate income by one means or another.

So it looks like people can't have photos on getDare or Kink Talk without having to pay a fee - a fee that would allow Depp to comply with the law.