Why S/M is NOT for underage?

[CollaredBlondie]

I think yours_slave has a great first post here, and I'm totally with him.

I had a 12/13 year old ask me to be his slave/mistress once, before the rule change, and before I turned 22. I felt so disgusted afterwards, it's just not right. That and y'know, it would've seriously gotten me into trouble because it's against the law.

If you're 12/13 years old, you are STILL A CHILD. In fact, you're still a child until you turn 18 (In the UK anyway) then you're considered an adult. Children should not be having children or getting -too- involved in adult activities.

I'm not saying "don't have sex" and I'm not saying "don't explore" - because as long as you're the age of consent and/or above, then that's fine. just don't' do it before - don't be in any hurry to grow up.

Blondie

[Invisible]

Originally Posted by Aivey

Completely true, I agree.

But also keep in mind that you can't be a paedophile if you engage in sexual activities with someone above the age of consent.

Yes that is true but it wouldn't stop the police investigating suspect activity causing potential costs and issues for people. For example they may go into the person's workplace and investigate their IT activity.

[Aivey]

Well, first off, police don't usually search around sites like this for paedophiles. Usually, they only do so with sites that contain child pornography. As they cannot make further investigations over things that aren't out in the open without a search warrant, they can only see things already there. If a person's age wasn't out there, it wouldn't be considered as probable cause for paedophilic activity. If their age was out there, then they wouldn't need to search at their work place. If their investigations had caused any damage without warrant, they would be responsible for it. Furthermore, they wouldn't even make that search in the first place as there are thousands of users and thousands of sites that 'touch' illegal activity.

So this really wouldn't be a worry unless if you were extremely paranoid, furthermore, if you, personally, are worried about persecution, then don't engage with people who're minors.

[Invisible]

Originally Posted by Aivey

Well, first off, police don't usually search around sites like this for paedophiles. Usually, they only do so with sites that contain child pornography. As they cannot make further investigations over things that aren't out in the open without a search warrant, they can only see things already there. If a person's age wasn't out there, it wouldn't be considered as probable cause for paedophilic activity. If their age was out there, then they wouldn't need to search at their work place. If their investigations had caused any damage without warrant, they would be responsible for it. Furthermore, they wouldn't even make that search in the first place as there are thousands of users and thousands of sites that 'touch' illegal activity.

So this really wouldn't be a worry unless if you were extremely paranoid, furthermore, if you, personally, are worried about persecution, then don't engage with people who're minors.

I'm not paranoid I just happen to work somewhere that is a large employer and regularly served with search warrants by the police looking at IT records. I have no idea where they get their leads from but I do know that people do not need to complain for them to be interested.

As I said you do not need to be prosecuted for these sorts of issues to cause you major problems.

[Aivey]

But according to your logic within the context of this conversation, you would simply need to be engaged in bdsm to be investigated. Assuming that were true "I am proudly the Master of Snowgirl99. Long may I be worthy." would get you into deep shit at work already. I still have my doubts, but okay, I do suppose the police can be overtly sensitive at times So yes, you do have a valid point

But getting back onto my original point, you aren't breaking the law if you're with someone above the age of consent, engaging in a bdsm relationship, and therefore you won't be arrested. Yes, as invisible has pointed out, you might be searched, but no, you wont be persecuted if you aren't breaking the law.

[yours_slave]

Originally Posted by Aivey

I'm sorry that you took personal offence to that, I wasn't referring to you in that section, as you definitely wouldn't naively seducuce anyone

My Holy GOD! Which part of my reply says I took it personally?

Originally Posted by Aivey

If, by underage, you mean people above the age of consent but not over 18:

Actually, they can't. If they did, I'd like to see sources, not because I don't believe what you say, but because I am astonished that governments now have the right to see what you do sexually, and that I have probably been very mislead with my beliefs, as I had assumed that freedom of sexuality was a generally assumed human right, which included sadomasochism, as long as it didn't result in permanent non-consensual change.

From my knowledge of the law:

Unless if it minors above the age of consent distributed widely on the internet of minors engaging in bdsm (which would be ruled as child pornography), they cannot interfere with your sex life.

Governments cannot look into private lives and people's sexuality unless if there was probably cause of them breaking consent laws. If you weren't, they wouldn't look further. If you were, the sexual content of what you were doing wouldn't be revealed by the government unless if you choose to reveal it as people are entitled to their privacy in what they do sexually.

BDSM is only charged as 'abuse' in cases. Abuse cases can only be put forward if a party were to press charges. If no charges are pressed, the case would be dropped. This is why so many people get away with rape each year.

If the party decides to press charges, the burden of proof lies on the accuser. You are innocent until proven guilty. What this means is that the person who is pressing charges must prove that their activities were not done under consent.

So in summary, you'd have to break consent laws, reveal your personal sex life on your own will, have your partner press charges on you, and be proven that you did those activities whithout consent to be legally responsible for engaging in bdsm.


And yes, if the age of consent was 18 with no exceptions, engaging in bdsm which is considered to be engaging in sexual activity would be wrong.


If by underage you mean people under the age of consent:

Then yes, you're completely right, I agree with you.

By underage, I mean people who are below age of consent. That's what it mean right? The word it self 'Age of consent' says that. .

According to criminal law in Australia, the age of consent refers to the age a person is considered to be capable of legally giving informed consent to sexual acts with another person. When a person engages in sexual behaviour with someone below the age of consent, they are committing a criminal offence (child sexual abuse). - Quoted from a Australian Government website.

And I'm sure, in most of the countries 'Age of consent' means that.

Originally Posted by Aivey

EDIT: Oh, and just to clarify, what I mean by BDSM is BDSM in general. Meaning that the fact that you're in a bdsm relationship, having intercourse, engaging in wax, ice, humiliation, biting, spankings, roleplays etc. are fine as they can be classed as having "rough sex". The things that are infrindge on other laws, such as body modification (if there are laws regarding it), public (such as public nudity), have to be abided. So are things that are more extreme, such as depriving one of basic survival needs (such as breathplay) or things that may result in death or the like, require 18+ consent, just like how bunjee jumping would.

Oh yes. Me too was referring to that. More extreme BDSM acts have many more laws other than child abuse laws.

[yours_slave]

Originally Posted by Aivey

Completely true, I agree.

But also keep in mind that you can't be a paedophile if you engage in sexual activities with someone above the age of consent.

Still it's paedophile but it's legal. Engaging sexual activities with someone above the age of consent doesn't change anything from engaging sexual activities with a underage, except it's legal.

[yours_slave]

Originally Posted by CollaredBlondie

I think yours_slave has a great first post here, and I'm totally with him.

Thank you so much CB!

Originally Posted by CollaredBlondie

I had a 12/13 year old ask me to be his slave/mistress once, before the rule change, and before I turned 22. I felt so disgusted afterwards, it's just not right. That and y'know, it would've seriously gotten me into trouble because it's against the law.

If you're 12/13 years old, you are STILL A CHILD. In fact, you're still a child until you turn 18 (In the UK anyway) then you're considered an adult. Children should not be having children or getting -too- involved in adult activities.

I'm not saying "don't have sex" and I'm not saying "don't explore" - because as long as you're the age of consent and/or above, then that's fine. just don't' do it before - don't be in any hurry to grow up.

Blondie

Same here. There were so many underage girls asked to be my slave and it was so disgusting. It really made me thinking about that whole day and it was a so pity situation. I felt so sad about their parents and them. How would their parents feel if they find out their loving daughter who is still watching 'My little pony' is a SEX SLAVE? That was the main reason for me to writing this thread. *sighs sadly*

I don't know. I may be over sensitive when it comes to child sex.

[yours_slave]

Originally Posted by Aivey

But getting back onto my original point, you aren't breaking the law if you're with someone above the age of consent, engaging in a bdsm relationship, and therefore you won't be arrested. Yes, as invisible has pointed out, you might be searched, but no, you wont be persecuted if you aren't breaking the law.

That's correct Aivey. I'm very happy to say that, first time in my life I agree with you completely. LOL

[Dark_Delight]

Addressing the two people that replied to my ealier points the ONLY reason teens are at higher risk is because people like you keep them in the dark so they don't know what they are doing and they can't ask anyone because everyone shuts them down. That's the only difference between a teen getting into it and an adult, people will inform the adult while shutting down the kid. You all claim to not want to perpetuate ignorance but your actions and views clearly show otherwise.

[Dark_Delight]

Originally Posted by yours_slave

Thank you so much CB!



Same here. There were so many underage girls asked to be my slave and it was so disgusting. It really made me thinking about that whole day and it was a so pity situation. I felt so sad about their parents and them. How would their parents feel if they find out their loving daughter who is still watching 'My little pony' is a SEX SLAVE? That was the main reason for me to writing this thread. *sighs sadly*

I don't know. I may be over sensitive when it comes to child sex.

Half of those were probably mods wanting to ban people if not all of them

[Maggy]

You're a very sour young man... I think your last two posts just took away any and all strength from your argument. Now you're just throwing criticisms at everyone and implying the staff here arn't doing their jobs. No offence, darling, but I think it's time you stepped away from the keyboard. You're only going to ruin your reputation and make the rest of your time here miserable.

Just... Take ten minutes to re-read what you've been typing and try to realise how childish you seem. Do you really want that image? Just calm yourself. If you can't do it, pick another thread. I think it's clear that noone wants you here when this is how you're going to talk to everyone.

[Dark_Delight]

Originally Posted by Maggy

You're a very sour young man... I think your last two posts just took away any and all strength from your argument. Now you're just throwing criticisms at everyone and implying the staff here arn't doing their jobs. No offence, darling, but I think it's time you stepped away from the keyboard. You're only going to ruin your reputation and make the rest of your time here miserable.

Just... Take ten minutes to re-read what you've been typing and try to realise how childish you seem. Do you really want that image? Just calm yourself. If you can't do it, pick another thread. I think it's clear that noone wants you here when this is how you're going to talk to everyone.

Why does everyone care more about reputation then the truth? Can you think of any reason that teens are more at risk then adults besides adults keeping them in the dark or adults abusing them? Two teens experimenting in S/M with a source letting them whats safe and whats not carries less risk then most adults doing it.

[Rachie]

Originally Posted by Dark_Delight

Half of those were probably mods wanting to ban people if not all of them

God I've been caught. Why ever did I make 229 accounts to ban people. I suppose I just have to much spare time

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The fact is the law is the law. Rules are rules.

Many of us (including mods) don't always agree with what we have to inforce, however we all have to abide by the rules that are set. (not my us - but by the American government? Or hosting site rules)

All we do is enforce these.

Again there is a fine line/difference between dares and slaves.

I PERSONALLY believe it depends on the maturity of the people concerned (age is involved when really young) and again the actions. If both parties understand each other (m/s) there is some but less of a concern.

Again trust is a big thing in any relationship including s/m. You don't always need to prove pictures videos cam etc.

Just be sensible.

HOWEVER I as do everyone else HAVE to obide by the rules that are set.

LOVE RACHIE - (iPod)
x x x x

[Maggy]

Originally Posted by Dark_Delight

Why does everyone care more about reputation then the truth? People are pathetic.

You see? It's just attacks on the personality now. I urge you to consider what you've been typing. Your childish attacks really arn't helping your case atall. Please, for your own sake, take a breather and figure out a less offensive way to put yourself forward... At least then people might listen to you, you know?