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Old 05-15-2023, 12:56 AM   #526
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2 x wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
1 x Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
10 x nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
3 x WFM tasks completed (#504)


TASKS REMAINING
7/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
16/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
13/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475)
12/14 orgasms with something inserted orally or anally (#478)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
7/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
6/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
8/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
54/500 edges (#500)
0/500 crunches while naked (#501)
270/500 squats while naked (#502)
123/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
4/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
15/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
0/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
1/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-15-2023, 06:03 AM   #527
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My contribution:
5 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
1 orgasm with something inserted orally or anally (#478
2 drank pee (#487)
2 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)



TASKS REMAINING
7/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
13/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475)
13/14 orgasms with something inserted orally or anally (#478)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
9/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
6/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
8/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
54/500 edges (#500)
0/500 crunches while naked (#501)
270/500 squats while naked (#502)
123/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
4/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
15/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
1/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-15-2023, 10:28 AM   #528
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i did 30 naked squats
1 session of 50 spanks with a leather implement on bare ass

TASKS REMAINING
7/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
13/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475)
13/14 orgasms with something inserted orally or anally (#478)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
9/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
6/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
8/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
54/500 edges (#500)
0/500 crunches while naked (#501)
300/500 squats while naked (#502)
123/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
4/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
15/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-16-2023, 04:41 AM   #529
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i did 20 naked squats
1 session of 50 spanks with a leather implement on bare ass
TASKS REMAINING
7/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
13/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475)
13/14 orgasms with something inserted orally or anally (#478)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
9/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
6/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
8/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
54/500 edges (#500)
0/500 crunches while naked (#501)
320/500 squats while naked (#502)
123/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
4/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
15/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
3/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-16-2023, 03:06 PM   #530
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TASKS DONE
1x Orgasm with some inserted orally or anally (#478) *Completed*
4x edges (#500)
24 km on a bicycle (#503)
1x orgasm fully enjoyed (#505)


TASKS REMAINING
7/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
13/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475)
14/14 orgasms with something inserted orally or anally (#478) *COMPLETED*
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
9/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
6/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
8/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
58/500 edges (#500)
0/500 crunches while naked (#501)
320/500 squats while naked (#502)
147/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
4/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
16/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
3/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-16-2023, 05:58 PM   #531
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Well done! Nice to see a task completed.
Now we just need to get some of those older ones done - cold showers anyone? (Nice to see DirtyBalls hitting #469!)

2 days white underwear
60 crunches naked
17 km on bicycle (did more but amount unknown)
4 WFM tasks done

TASKS REMAINING
7/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
13/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
9/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
6/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
58/500 edges (#500)
60/500 crunches while naked (#501)
320/500 squats while naked (#502)
164/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
8/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
16/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
3/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:35 PM   #532
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If you do one cold shower, I will do one as well
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Old 05-17-2023, 03:01 PM   #533
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TASKS DONE
1x cold showers (including washing hair) (#455); It was terrible
1x sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475) *Completed*
1x ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
30 squats while naked (#502)
12 km on a bicycle (#503)
1x session of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)

TASKS REMAINING
8/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
14/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475) *COMPLETED*
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
9/15 drank pee (#487)
2/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
8/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
7/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
58/500 edges (#500)
60/500 crunches while naked (#501)
350/500 squats while naked (#502)
176/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
8/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
16/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
29/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
2/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-17-2023, 03:35 PM   #534
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1x drinking pee (#487)
1x calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
2x emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
3x nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
1x set of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)

TASKS REMAINING
8/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
14/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475) *COMPLETED*
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
12/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
3/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
10/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)

7/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
58/500 edges (#500)
60/500 crunches while naked (#501)
350/500 squats while naked (#502)
176/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
8/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
16/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
0/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
32/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
3/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-17-2023, 07:22 PM   #535
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x1 gave oral to someone (#486)
x2 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496) (total of 4)
x10 edges (#500)
x2 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
x1 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)

TASKS REMAINING
8/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
5/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
14/14 sets of 14 pushups AND 14 lunges (#475) *COMPLETED*
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
13/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
3/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
10/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
9/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
68/500 edges (#500)
60/500 crunches while naked (#501)
350/500 squats while naked (#502)
176/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
8/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
16/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
2/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
32/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-19-2023, 08:15 PM   #536
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1 cold shower (brrrr)
1 session 10 minutes in front of mirror
2 edges
40 crunches naked
10 km bicycle
4 WFM tasks

TASKS REMAINING
9/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
6/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
13/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
3/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
10/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
9/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
70/500 edges (#500)
100/500 crunches while naked (#501)
350/500 squats while naked (#502)
186/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
12/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
16/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
2/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
32/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-19-2023, 08:44 PM   #537
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3x WFM tasks (#504)
1x orgasms enjoyed (#505)
1x sleeping completely naked (#507)

TASKS REMAINING
9/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
6/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
13/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
3/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
10/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
9/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
70/500 edges (#500)
100/500 crunches while naked (#501)
350/500 squats while naked (#502)
186/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
15/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
17/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
2/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
33/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511)
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Old 05-21-2023, 03:37 AM   #538
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TASKS DONE
1x 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
50x squats while naked (#502)
28km on a bicycle (#503)
3x orgasm fully enjoyed (#505)
1X session of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511) *Completed*

TASKS REMAINING
9/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
7/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
13/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
3/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
10/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
9/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
70/500 edges (#500)
100/500 crunches while naked (#501)
400/500 squats while naked (#502)
214/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
15/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
20/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
2/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
33/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
5/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a leather implement, bare bottom (#511) *COMPLETED*
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Old 05-22-2023, 09:53 AM   #539
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TASKS REMAINING
10/10 Cold showers (including washing hair) (#455)
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
7/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
13/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
5/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
11/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
9/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
79/500 edges (#500)
100/500 crunches while naked (#501)
400/500 squats while naked (#502)
214/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
16/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
20/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
2/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
33/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510

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Old 05-22-2023, 02:30 PM   #540
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Glad the cold showers have been finished! 😌

TASKS DONE
50x squats while naked (#502)
12 km on a bicycle (#503)

TASKS REMAINING
21/30 heavy books dropped on balls (#469)
7/14 10 minutes masturbating nude in front of a mirror (#474)
6/14 sessions of 14 mins corner time: kneeling hard floor, naked, hands on head, nose on wall (#484)
12/30 set of 30 naked sit-ups (#485)
13/20 gave oral to someone (#486)
10/15 drank pee (#487)
5/15 calls to someone you have not spoken with for a while (#493)
11/15 emails to someone you have not heard from for a while (#494)
9/20 ruined 2 orgasms on the same day (#496)
10/20 wore only white underwear for a day (#497)
79/500 edges (#500)
100/500 crunches while naked (#501)
450/500 squats while naked (#502)
226/500 km on a bicycle (#503)
16/50 WFM tasks completed (#504)
20/50 Orgasms fully enjoyed (#505)
2/50 people seeing you wearing thong (m or f) or speedo (male) (#506)
33/50 nights sleeping completely naked (#507)
0/5 sent 3 or more PM Dares to people (#508)
0/5 GetDare threads started (#509)
4/5 sessions of 50 spanks with a wooden implement, bare bottom (#510)
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