Hypnosis

[minimarshmellow]

Originally Posted by MasterMichaelNY

I just wanted to toss in here about gas lighting. It's a broad term, and it deals with manipulation. I can blindfold a slave and have them stand on a plank, and then tell them, I'm going to lift the plank with my friend, but I want you to keep your balance and stay on the plank, also your going to be very close to the ceiling, so be careful.

Then you and the other person, rocks the plank, and you tell the girl, she is almost all the way up at the ceiling, go on and reach up and touch it. Then when the person reaches up, I hold a book up over there hand, so they feel something solid and flat. The slave thinks there 5 feet above the ground, but they are only 3 inches off the ground. That's a form of gas lighting.

Also what you don't know, gas lighting is very common. Take a look at commercials on TV, that's a form. You drop into a alter state, and the commercial comes on, and if you notice, commercials seem to be louder than your regular program.

Another common form is billboards on the side of the highways or interstates. You hypno yourself with the road, and a billboard goes by. Guess what, you just been programed to like Hilton Hotels.

NOW here's a question

Let's think for a second, commercials and billboards. Do they seek out your permission to be programed in your mind? Of course not.

Now why is that. When your hypo by a person, your guard never goes down. So in other words you can't be programed to do something you don't want to do from the start. Unless you want to talk about some Military dark projects, were LSD was involved, but all in all, your guard is always up.

Now for commercials and billboards. Here your guard is down. Your watching TV with your family, you feel safe. Safe is the key word. When your on the interstate or highway, and there is no traffic, you feel safe, so the billboards work then. But if your stuck in stop and go traffic, and your watching your space between yourself and the car in front of you. The billboard is useless.

Let me stop now, i'm writing a book.

Any thoughts, this is a great subject to talk about.

I really liked your description of things and I agree.

We just have to remember that you can get that same safe feeling with people. It is totally possible to have your guard down when being hypnotized by a person. The unconscious observer keeps an ear out and is fully capable of stopping things. However, you can use other manipulation tactics to get someone to do something they may not have originally wanted to do. That involves conditioning, and also being an abusive asshole that is breaking consent.

[MasterMichaelNY]

Originally Posted by minimarshmellow

I really liked your description of things and I agree.

We just have to remember that you can get that same safe feeling with people. It is totally possible to have your guard down when being hypnotized by a person. The unconscious observer keeps an ear out and is fully capable of stopping things. However, you can use other manipulation tactics to get someone to do something they may not have originally wanted to do. That involves conditioning, and also being an abusive asshole that is breaking consent.

Abusive asshole, yup you just describe a McDonald's commercial. "I'm loven it"

[minimarshmellow]

Originally Posted by MasterMichaelNY

Abusive asshole, yup you just describe a McDonald's commercial. "I'm loven it"

I don't know if you are being serious or not.

People that make those ads get paid the big bucks because they have a very firm understanding of conditioning. They are paid to get people to want things they may not have wanted before. However, your unconscious observer is still looking out for you. If you are a vegetarian, and believe that is how you want to be, then that McDonald's ad for nuggets won't effect you the same way it effects someone that really likes nuggets.

The person that likes nuggets is primed to be more likely to fall for the nugget commercial.

[Tom_claw]

Oh oops. Sorry about that.

[iamnotme]

I was kind of surprised about your response concerning fatigue. I find that I am more suggestible to advertising when I am fatigued, so I would have thought hypnosis would work better.

Could you please discuss the differences between suggestibility and how hypnosis works?

[xMaxx]

Hi ! Any advice on how to make hypnosis more effective ? Like is it better to sit or stand, turn the light off or not, things like that ! Thanks

[minimarshmellow]

Originally Posted by iamnotme

I was kind of surprised about your response concerning fatigue. I find that I am more suggestible to advertising when I am fatigued, so I would have thought hypnosis would work better.

Could you please discuss the differences between suggestibility and how hypnosis works?

Well, suggestibility is part of a trance state. Hypnosis is categorized by 3 main things: Absorption, Disassociation, and Suggestibility.

Absorption is are you absorbed in what is going on. Are you listening to the words being said? Are you watching the pocket watch swinging?

Disassociation is are you disassociated from your body. Ways to get this is to use language such as "that hand" instead of "your hand".

Suggestibility is when the hypnotist says something, you do it. When you are told to close your eyes, did you do it?

In conclusion, suggestibility is a characteristic of a trance state. There really isn't a difference, it is part of being in hypnosis.

[minimarshmellow]

Originally Posted by xMaxx

Hi ! Any advice on how to make hypnosis more effective ? Like is it better to sit or stand, turn the light off or not, things like that ! Thanks

All of that depends on the person being hypnotized. Some people rather sit up, some rather lay down. Some like lights on, some like lights off. It depends on what you would find comfortable.

For me, I like the light to be low (because the bright lights hurt my eyes), air to be cool (because I don't want to get sweaty), laying down on my bed (I am a flopper and since I primarily listen to prerecorded files I feel safer starting laying down).

Find what works for you. What may help is think about how the environment is set up for when you relax. So think about those times you have been relaxed, what was the environment like?

[iamnotme]

I've watched a couple of the "hypnosis" videos out of curiosity. They seem to fall into two different categories. The first is more of an instructional video. The person on the video basically tells you what to do and what you want. The second appears to be a subconscious effort at hypnosis, fast, deep music, constantly changing pictures, flashing by so quickly that it is impossible to fully absorb what is on the screen, along with words flashing by just as quickly.

With what you have said, I am under the impression that the "subconscious" ones would have little effect. Could you comment?

[rw789]

Originally Posted by iamnotme

I've watched a couple of the "hypnosis" videos out of curiosity. They seem to fall into two different categories. The first is more of an instructional video. The person on the video basically tells you what to do and what you want. The second appears to be a subconscious effort at hypnosis, fast, deep music, constantly changing pictures, flashing by so quickly that it is impossible to fully absorb what is on the screen, along with words flashing by just as quickly.

With what you have said, I am under the impression that the "subconscious" ones would have little effect. Could you comment?

What you're talking about is the subliminal effects. It's an approach to send a message or in this case, suggestions and ideas while the subject isn't fully aware of them. It has what you said, images that fly by too fast to comprehend on what is happening, words that flash and disappear before fully reading. The music is also there to mask other audio so that your conscious mind is focused on the music but there's underlying tracks that are being played underneath that which contain suggestions and such. There's other stuff subtly guide the person to things done by subtle cues to get their mind focused on certain things.

The "instructional" type is simply a guided trance.

[minimarshmellow]

Originally Posted by iamnotme

I've watched a couple of the "hypnosis" videos out of curiosity. They seem to fall into two different categories. The first is more of an instructional video. The person on the video basically tells you what to do and what you want. The second appears to be a subconscious effort at hypnosis, fast, deep music, constantly changing pictures, flashing by so quickly that it is impossible to fully absorb what is on the screen, along with words flashing by just as quickly.

With what you have said, I am under the impression that the "subconscious" ones would have little effect. Could you comment?

There are lots of categories of hypnosis files. It varies based on what qualities you are categorizing by. Are you looking at modality style, induction style, type of suggestions, etc. The way I am understanding your comment, it seems like you are talking about two different types from different categories.

What you referred to as an "instructional video" sounds like an authoritative approach and uses direct suggestions. In these files/sessions the hypnotist will use more direct language. An example would be "You will feel ____". The opposite of this is a permissive style and using indirect suggestions. An example of this would be, "You might feel ____". Both are valid techniques. Many variables go into deciding which may be the "better" style to use during a session.

Hypnosis files can utilize subliminal (what you referred to as "subconscious") messages. This can be presented in many different ways and the effectiveness can be debated. The key thing with subliminal messages is that you still have to be able to process the information. It may happen so rapidly that you don't realize you have processed it, but your brain still needs to be able to detect the stimuli. So if someone tries to add a subliminal audio track, but your ears don't detect the sound waves, it won't be effective. With words flashing on a screen, it has to be there long enough for you to actually see it and read it. Keep in mind though, your brain can read much faster than you may realize.

Can subliminal messages work? Sure! You just have to ensure the person's brain can actually detect the stimuli. This can lead into some conditioning topics. Conditioning can easily turn ugly, so I won't be talking about how to do that here.

Basically, different things have different effects for different people. That is why negotiation and consent BEFORE any play is super important. It gives you time to learn about the other person.