[Butterfly]

Originally Posted by RedMike

But they arent topping while still beeing at the bottom then, do they?
For me there is a difference between some kind of power struggle and "toping from the bottom". If you struggle directly and openly you arent playing the bottom part anymore

A top controls the scene. If a bottom says "No" without using a safeword or providing an explanation, then they are in control. Thus, they are topping from the bottom. That is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by RedMike

Yes i also think this is still toping from the bottom. But i think it needs to be adressed differently than the case when the sub just does it on purpose, beeing fully aware of what (s)he is doing
For me that two different kinds of problems

Oh, I agree that it is two different situations and thus should be dealt with in two different ways, but I would still classify it is as one of the only times I would consider it being topping from the bottom.