Is it safe?
 

So you find yourself in the mood to be on the receiving end of some dares. You come to this lovely site and make a thread in the TORD Online section. Some of the answers you get are great, well thought out, detailed and exactly what you asked for. Most impartanly they take into account your personal safety. Kudos to the smart darer.

However you also receive some dares that aren't so good and you aren't so sure if they are as safe as the others. You're newer on the site, no one to really ask and afraid to say anything on the thread because the darer might be mad or insulted.

The TORD Online section isn't scrutinized as much as the dare section is, there are just so many dares being posted in different threads at once. There isn't a high chance that someone will step in and point out the safety issue. So what can you do?

This thread is for just this problem. Feel free to post here asking questions about dares you have received that might be a little less than safe or if you're unsure about something. If you don't feel comfortable posting out here in the open, you are more than welcome to shoot me a PM and I'll be sure to get back to you. If I don't know the answer I'll find someone who does. :3

*Please also remeber that you are always free to refuse a dare that you are not comfortable with or one that asks you for pictures or cam. Requesting pictures/cam is against the site rules and can be reported by clicking on the little red triangle below the avatar picture. Please don't ever be afraid to report something.*

Warning for vaginal cleaning projects and soap play
 

Yeah, i posted twice about it in response to someone daring it (i think it was the same person in both threads actually). Can't even remember where i learned about it, but it's definitely a good thing to add to a list like this.

There is also this Dare PSA posted in the dare section a few days ago, contains some good and relevant information too :)

I would hope that people realise that this is, after all, just a website.

You're under no obligation to ever do any dares - even if you say you'll do anything. Nobody will come round your house and shoot your dog if you don't.

So, apply common sense. If you do something stupid because someone dared you to, and it kills you or otherwise causes you harm, then frankly you've nobody but yourself to blame. Common sense people. Don't be an idiot.

Haha, no problem. I thought about posting it in the Dare PSA topic but i hadn't come around to it. So i was pleasantly surprised when i saw your post :)

Relayer makes a good point too. Above all make sure you feel good about a dare before doing it, there is absolutely no obligation to do something you don't feel good about (even if it falls within you likes!)

I wasn't at all suggesting that this thread was pointless - to the contrary I feel it's a good idea to have a thread where people can go "Uhh, is this safe?" I just felt it necessary to point out that you're never obligated to do anything, and that you are responsible for your own safety. People can sometimes have the mentality of "Well, I was dared to, so I have to do it now."

Is it safe to put toothpaste down there? (around,in, near, ect)

Toothypaste- Okiidokii
 

What are some safe lubes? Do you think lotion would be a safe anal lube?

Lotion can cover a vast range of items, but I think the best course of action is to avoid using lotion anywhere inside the body.

A petroleum jelly could be used, but is difficult to wash away, and may still harbour infections if not properly cleaned away. As I dont know what you are planning to lube up with it, I must point out that stuff like vaseline damages latex, so would decrease the protection from STIs if used on a condom

The best sort of lube to be used anally would be water based. eg KY Jelly, easily obtainable in large supermarkets or chemists. There are also specific personal lubricants available, designed to be used for just that sort of use. You would probably find them in the same section as condoms in the shop.

Hope that helps a bit, and Im sorry for jumping in on your advice thread Nelly!

Lubes and lotion
 

So, I would have posted my answer last night buuuut I sort of hit the point where english turns into gibberish. With everything that can be included with this I was trying not to screw it up.

So, to start off with, the safest option will always be to just go to a store and buy some. Many stores carry it, you don't have to ask anyone for it, and with self checkouts you don't even have to have the cashier see it. It is also usually inexpensive. Water based is generally viewed as safest and favorite.

If that is the road you're interested in taking, this site has a lot of good just basic information about what kind of lubes can be used with what. Also what ingredients in certain lubes can cause irritaion or yest infections in women.
http://www.babeland.com/shoppingadvice/lubeadvice

So I've been looking A LOT for correct information for what is or isn't safe to use as lube. I have to say that for almost everything there are two sides for each. Unless store bought everything has it's ups and downs, and even some of the store bought ones have little things you have to watch out for too. Those however can be found in the above link. So I can't garuntee everything is spot on.

So here goess the list of what I've found that can be used and the ups and downs of them:

Lotion:
So, I had an earlier discussion about this with Leopard and we pretty much figured out that some that are more ok to use than others. All lotions have chemicals in them that half of us couldn't even come close to pronouncing. After looking some of them up I've found that while some of them are relitively safe there are some that aren't as much.

I would suggest that you go with the simpliest you can find if you feel you must use it. No pretty smells, no extra additives that make it absorb better. Also don't go for really cheep stuff either, they could be full of filler chemicals that could be much more harmful. If the words "For external use only" appear on it doesn't use for anal lube.

So, not suggested, but if you have truely nothing else for anal lube than I suppose it is better than nothing.

For guys, it should be ok for regular masterbating to avoid chafing and such as long as you avoid getting it into your urethra. That wouldn't be too pleasent feeling. Girls, this could also screw with vaginal pH so I would avoid it for non-anal playing.

Cooking oils:
Something that I found while looking was that people were mentioning Things such as vegetable, olive, and coconut oil. These things can be found in most homes and have usually no chemicals, plus they are things that usually pass through your digestive system anyway. Things such as butter and crisco where also mentioned. Make sure that the oils are pure and with no extra stuff added in.

While these can provide good lubrication it was also pointed out that these are less likely to disssipate quickly and could hang around and allow bateria to grow. I think this may be on the lower chance side of happening, but it couldn't hurt to take a little extra time in the shower to make sure you're clean in that area after playing :3

A few warnings though. This shouldn't be used in or around the vaginal area. They can cause an imbalance in pH as well and give bacteria a nice place to grow too. See one of the above post for vaginal health for more information. The oils can also cause damage to latex so keep that in mind if you're thinking of using it in combination with condoms.

Vaseline/Petroleum Jelly:
I'm Not so sure about using this as lube, but I would say no for the sake of lack of knowledge and clean up. Vaseline has a melting point above the bodies normal temperature so it could easily build up in clumps and just be a mess. I would keep it for outside of the body only.

Baby oil:
I didn't find much on this either, but as it is meant for use on very sensitive baby's skin it should be more on the safe side? This is another substance where all I got was that they said it was ok to use. Nothing else. So it is a tenitive yes.

Spit:
While this is very commonly used, it may not really be as great as some people think. This can be found on the link earlier in the post. "While spit is cheap, and you may have seen non-stop spit-fests in porn movies, the reality is that spit dries out pretty quickly and can leave genitals feeling even drier afterwards. If someone has oral herpes, using spit as lube poses a threat of infection to your partner." Not suggested but will work in a pinch I suppose but becareful and relube often.

So, this is pretty much all I can think of, I'm very sorry it took so long and is such a long post but there was a lot of information. PM me for anything that might need to be changed or if anything should be added and I will edit it.

Nail polish on genitals
 

I actually have already written something on this before, it was just a matter of finding it again. Which I somehow managed to do, soooo here goes.

Alright, to start out, There was a separate thread started on this here : http://www.getdare.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=51306

I have to agree with what both of those posts. On a different thread this was also added In response to someone elses thoughts:

The links in that quote should give you all the information you need to turn you away from the idea of using nail poilish for anything but your nails and may even stop you from that.

Now as for it being safer than toothpaste, I would have to say yes. Though tooth paste can have some icky stuff in it, the nail poilish has even worse. There is a post about tooth paste above if you're still courious, and you should be safe with it, just keep it for more or less external use and wash good after you're done.

As time goes by on here the dares get more ludicrous and the sole purpose of many people's time on here is seemingly to outgross each other by saying they do things that they clearly do not. Sadly this means that the more gullible among us are likely to then the more ridiculous/gross/dangerous dares thinking they are ok. I just have this feeling that it's simply a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt. I hope I'm wrong. The fact that there is no age restriction on the site really doesn't help.

What do you think about the safety of this dare, using an electric dog collar? I know there are a lot of electric toys out there, both designed specifically for BDSM and improvised. But what do you think about the dog collar?

The collar must be designed in such a way that would not be harmful to a dog, so one would think that it would be a gentle enough shock to be relatively safe for a human who is generally larger. On the other hand, I wonder if one wrong electrical impulse might make its way to the heart or something and become dangerous. Thoughts? And what electric toys are generally accepted as being safe for dares/bdsm, if any? What are the general safety concerns/precautions?

My basic understanding is that the dog collars are dangerous as for a dog it will need to go through their fur and they have thicker skin than humans.

Generally, unless the toy is designed for use on people you are safer not using it unless you really know what you are doing. Also, only use them below the waist unless you can guarantee they are safe for use near the heart and you know what you are doing!

Is it safe to lick a toilet with out cleaning it? Or should you clean it first.

I want to know because last time I did it, I cleaned it, I was fine but there wasn't much effect on me because it didn't taste bad so it felt like I was just licking something... So the question is, Is it safe to lick an unclean toilet?

It really depends on where you lick it and what your idea of clean, semi-clean, and dirty are.. The toilet seat would be the safest spot to lick but still not very safe. Inside the bowl would be pretty nasty and outside the bowl would be the medium. Mythbusters covered the toilet seat in an episode you can read about here http://mythbustersresults.com/hidden-nasties.

I'm talking about the bowl, like on the top and on the outside parts of it.

Might want to give it a cleaning and a good rinse with water. Would hate to ingest massive amounts of bacteria or residual cleaning agent, both could be bad.

Ok, So I should clean it all before I lick it or anything.... Could you think of things that could give it a fowl taste while I lick it?

Yeah, I'd clean it. You probably have a whole kitchen full of condiments, spices, etc... you could wipe on it, suggestions for such should probably be in a dare post though.

Ok, I was thinking I could put my cum on it, would that be safe?

Shock dog collars and some electro play
 

So, before a bunch of others would like to continue giving advise on my advise thread, please allow me a bit of time to do so. Some of these take me HOURS to research and write properly so please don't go writing over me, terribly rude.

This is by far one of the hardest set of questions I've ever been asked. I keep finding things that contridict each other, so I believe I'm going to put the basics down and then link to more in depth opinions.

So to start off, I read the thread that was linked above and personally, the idea has no appeal to me and doesn't sound totally kosher. I personally wouldn't feel totally safe using something that wasn't designed for human use when it comes to something like electricity. I think that playing around with something you don't properly understand and something that can cause a lot of damage is just a bad idea in general.

As for dog collars being used, the way he is doing it seems slightly less dangerous then having it around your neck. I've come across a couple of a different opinions of having it around your neck. One saying that it is really ok and another basically saying it is a terrible idea.

I honestly have to say that I really wouldn't want to risk having something bad happen and would avoid having it anywhere above the waist unless you seriously know what you're doing and have the proper equipment. Any sort of stray electrical current passing around or near your heart has the chance of distrupting the rhythm, damaging the heart, or, in the worst possible case, stopping it. Not only that, but, like your heart, your nervous system is also run by electrical currents and could aslso stand the chance of also being messed around with.

Most of those are far more likely to happen if you have a pre-existing heart condition or a pacemaker implanted, but if you have a malfunctioning piece of equipment or something that was not made for use by humans you have no real way of knowing what could happen. I may sound a bit paranoid, but it is generally better to be safe than sorry.

What I found out about shock dog collars is that, while many of them don't give off more than a feeling of a static shock to the dog, you have to keep in mind that dogs have thicker skin and additional fur for it to pass through, while humans to not. Also, "One misconception about shock collars is that the shock a dog feels when they get a shock is equivalent to the shock a human feels when they put the same collar around their own necks, leg or arm. While the idea of pain or shock may be subjective, what is clear is that dogs do not feel stimuli in the same way as humans. Watching dogs gleefully leap into freezing water, bite and play roughly with each other and run "barefoot" over rough ground should be evidence of this." (http://www.dailypuppy.com/articles/w...4-5152c9b28437)

The big warnings:
~Like any electronic equipment, shock collars can malfunction. Dogs have been left outside in the rain wearing an invisible fence collar, and very badly burned when the collar shorted out. This is more of a problem with older or cheap shock collars, as newer ones have built in technology to prevent this from happening.
~Make certain that your electrodes make good contact. Poor contact will often cause burns. Electrical burns tend to be deep and slow to heal. They also tend to have more damage beneath the surface than is immediately obvious.
~NEVER set up contacts such that a current path can be completed through the heart or brain! The safest way to be certain of this is to avoid any contact above the lowest set of ribs. It IS possible to work safely on the back, shoulders, neck and arms and I make some references to it later, but unless you are certain of your equipment, your knowledge and skill, and your subject's health, keep the contacts below the lowest set of ribs.
If playing with a partner:
~Don't tie your subject too tightly, allow some room for muscle contractions. It is possible to do some significant damage if you apply a strong shock to a tightly-tied limb. Also, make certain that your subject is bound or positioned such that a sudden movement won't cause a fall, impact against a solid or sharp object, or other unintended injury.
~I strongly suggest that when you try a new setup, you test it on yourself to the extent possible. This will give you some insight as to what the sensations are and what constitutes a tolerable level of current. This leads to a WARNING: NEVER EXPERIMENT WITH ELECTRICITY ON YOURSELF UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEONE PRESENT WHO KNOWS HOW (AND WHEN) TO SHUT OFF THE CURRENT!
~ALWAYS HAVE A SAFE-WORD *AND* a signal which can be used if your sub can't speak. Make sure that you are always alert to it.

VERY IMPORTANT:
Always have someone around when playing with electricity. I know this isn't always the most favorable of ideas, but if something happens and your heart stops you only have about 4 minutes before you start having brain damage. At least have someone in your house in the hopes that maybe they find you before it is too late. If playing with a partner make sure the one giving the shocks knows CPR. It may make the difference betwen living and dying.

As for acceptable toys, I have heard of something called a violet wand. "This gadget uses a high-frequency circuit similar to a Tesla coil to build up a static charge in a gas-filled glass tube. If you hold the tube near your sub's body, Each time the charge builds up enough to jump the gap, a spark jumps from the tube to your sub's skin. Unlike shuffling across the rug, though, the Wand can spark many times a second. You can adjust the intensity and rate of sparks depending on your purpose. The nature of the body's response to this type of charge is such that you can use the wand anywhere on the body except for the eyes."

There are also things like Electro-Muscle Stimulation (EMS) exercisers that force muscle contractions. "These are less costly (and usually less powerful and elaborate) versions of the TENS units, and are intended to provide the effects of exercise by forcing muscle contractions electrically. I'll leave the question of whether they help build impressive biceps to others, but as electro-pleasure and electro-torture devices, they are excellent. They provide from 2 to a dozen separate circuits, each with adjustable current. Depending on the unit, you may also be able to vary frequency, waveform, and surge characteristics for each circuit. The units are powered by batteries, which eliminates any worry about a ground loop or component failure placing the full resources of your local power company in contact with a sensitive portion of your partner's anatomy. Also, the individual circuits are isolated from each other, so you don't have to worry about current flowing between electrodes of two different circuits and setting up a path that you hadn't planned on."

These are the safer things I've found, there are other things, like TENS units, that can beused but require proper training for safe use and are rather epensive.

Some of the earlier informantion can be found here as well as addition information: http://www.sexuality.org/l/bdsm/elecplay.html

Opinions on the safety of electrical use in BDSM can be found here but is an 18+ site so please no one under view it as I don't know what might be on the site too. The opening page will probably lead you to registration for the site but there is a button that will allow you to proceed as a guest and no registration needed. http://www.slaveregister.com/posts/162028/

I've seen and talked to people about these before. The answer is that electricity is very dangerous, and you have to be careful with any electrical toy.

Canine electrical devices like this should certainly not be used around the neck, as they would then be far to close to things like your brain. What damage are they doing to your pet? Who knows!

That said, if you are experienced with electrical play (and I don't mean sticking your tongue on a 9V battery - which, by the way, is also potentially lethal - I'm talking about proper electroplay) you might consider using them elsewhere on the body

A 9 volt battery only puts out relatively 500mAh (Source: http://www.batterysavers.com/Compare-Batteries.html). It would take 300-500mAH applied directly to the chest cavity to stop your heart (Source: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/JackHsu.shtml). I've held over 2Ah in my hands with nough force to tickle, but it didn't kill me. Basically, if you have no heart conditions, I wouldn't concern myself too much because the dog collar isn't making direct contact with your heart or chest, and the collar itself tends to insulate you from getting the full effect of the shock. I stick 9 volt batteries to my tongue all the time and have no issues.

toilet lovin'
 

I think that licking a toilet that isn't clean sounds pretty unsafe without even having to ask. Depending on how dirty your toilet is you could be ingesting millions if not billions of tiny germs and bacteria, not to mention pleanty of urine and fecal matter.

Common bacteria that can be found on toilets include, but is not limited to:
~Shigellosis- can cause severe diarrhea and dysentery as well as inflamation of the intestines.
~Staphylococcus- the antibiotic strain is responsible for MRSA
~Salmonella-can cause severe vomiting and diarrhea

There is a problem, though, with cleaning the toilet then licking it, depending on what you clean it with/how you clean it.

While disinfectants will get rid of a fair amount of the ickies but it also leaves behind some of the chemicals. Many of those chemicals are certainly not something you would want to ingest and can make you just as sick if not more so than the things you're trying to not get sick from. Poisoning is a bad thing.

So, my only suggestion is, that, if you must lick a toilet, clean how you would regularly do so and then wipe down additionaly very well with a wet paper towel or something. The whole goal being that you get rid of the left over chemical residue.



You can do a general google search for things that are bitter that you could easily pick up in a store. Things that do come to mind though are things like the peels off of citrus fruit. If you take the peel and run it kind of hard against the outside of the bowl you should get a slightly bitter taste off of it. Also, around this time of the year there is usually a fair amount of dandelions floating around. The insides of the steams usually are quite bitter and could be wiped on the bowl as well to get that nasty taste.

Then as for your cum being on the toilet, i suppose that could work? Still germs involved and if you have any STDs don't be putting your cum in your mouth because you can further spread it to the rest of your body. Otherwise you should be good.

Awesome thoughts and research Nellybell! Excelent information, thank you!

I saw this dare given in one of the person above threads, to drink three 2 liter bottles of soda over the course of three hours followed by an hour long walk without going to a bathroom.

I personally think the soda is way too much. Maybe 2 liters in three hours would be possible, but 6 liters seems dangerous like those cases where college hazing goes bad and people die from drinking too much water.

Anyway, this dare raised three questions for me.

1. What is the maximum safe amount to drink at a time (or within say 3 hours like that one) for a pee holding type dare or task?

2. Would something like Gatorade or even soda be safer than water to prevent low sodium, etc.?

3. What about the pee holding? I think I have heard it can be unsafe (maybe even on this site, but I don't remember)? Are there any health hazards associated with pee holding in general?

What about keeping a bar of soap in your mouth for 7 minutes...

Give yourself an enema will water with.red dye in it.

is this safe

I saw this pic of a woman in self bondage who was soaking wet and had a fan blowing on her, so that she was cold and there was nothing she could do about it.

Is that safe? Because I'd love to incorporate that into my scenarios.

This prob not safe. As the wind helps evaporate the water and that will use heat from your body. Same thing as on hot day you get out of pool and a wind blows you get cold. But if you do that too long you may have a change of getting too cold and bodythemp drops too far

Hey I thought I'd ask this. How safe is it to put ice cubes in your butt? I know a lot of them at the same time could reduce body temperature, but I'm guessing only a couple is okay?

Also, how safe is ass-to-mouth? I'm not talking about eating poop, more like sucking on a finger after it's been in there, and apart from getting an STD, 'cause I don't have any.

Thanks! :)

Thanks for the answer, nelly. :)

I think this is perfectly safe and will probably sound dumb asking, but I have to do a dare that requires me to save up my cum for about a week then eat it.

Obviously it's safe to eat cum during a one time dare, or during sex, but is it like food going bad if you save it?

Thanks!