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SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 01:44 AM
Dear all

based on how happy my Mistress have been about my desperate and horny condition after the last edge torturing about a week ago my Mistress decided to have another edging night for me.

Declared target:
To turn me again into a precum dripping slut.
Lock me again afterwards into my punishment cage

To make it harder:
Needs to be announced in the chat
To be stated as having no limit
Will have to wear my HUSH in open access

Again you are very welcome to add to the number of edges that I have to finish tonight.

Same as last time, you may also contact her (KIK) with any additional ideas you might have under:
HotSassySarah2

My freedom ends tomorrow morning, so this will be only valid for a few hours. The edging will start close to 9p.m. German time so in roughly 11 hours from now

Thank you all,

Toy

The last edge denial torture post can be found here:
https://www.getdare.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=409287

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 02:41 AM
How many edges do you start with?

I'd like to propose an edge done while you're sucking your dildo

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 02:57 AM
Up to now I start with 0.
This time there aren't any left overs from my last challenge.
Thank you for adding the very first one.

0 / 0 completed
specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 05:42 AM
Here’s one more edge, this time only the Lovense Hush

If you cannot edge in 5 minutes this way,, you may touch, but you must double the amount of normal edges you need to complete.

saltychip
11-15-2021, 05:43 AM
Awww, and you're back for more!

I'll add an edge on your knees with your mouth open and tongue out again

saltychip
11-15-2021, 05:44 AM
And another edge... on your knees with 1 hand behind your head

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 05:50 AM
Awww, and you're back for more!

I'll add an edge on your knees with your mouth open and tongue out again
I like this one. I’ll add another one. The same way as well

Hotsassysarah
11-15-2021, 05:57 AM
I like how you abuse him. It enjoyable to see him suffer as he can’t get any relief until end of November at the earliest

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 05:57 AM
Here is an edge you must do kneeling with your nose touching the floor.

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:00 AM
Here’s one more: Edge using two fingers only while saying “I am a precum dripping slut” during the edge.

saltychip
11-15-2021, 06:03 AM
Hmmm... another one watching yourself in the mirror

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:03 AM
Thank you for letting us in on the fun. ^^


I‘ll add one regular edge

Hotsassysarah
11-15-2021, 06:06 AM
Here is an edge you must do kneeling with your nose touching the floor.

Haha, that’s brilliant

How humiliating for him

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:06 AM
One more edge kneeling.. except, don’t move your hand over yourself, rather move your body into your hand.

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 06:11 AM
Oh god, things are going so fast.
Please.

I will start with the Hush one to decide if all regular ones do count double.

Current status:
0 / 1 completed, double counting not decided yet

specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 1 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:20 AM
Haha, that’s brilliant

How humiliating for him
Happy that you liked it ^^

Since she liked it, you get to do it one more time!

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:21 AM
Oh god, things are going so fast.
Please.

I will start with the Hush one to decide if all regular ones do count double.

Current status:
0 / 1 completed, double counting not decided yet

specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 1 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
In that case, I’ll add another regular one, because they seem a little low in number.

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:22 AM
Can I add more than one? I’ll be adding one more regular edge with this post right now ;)

Hotsassysarah
11-15-2021, 06:24 AM
Can I add more than one? I’ll be adding one more regular edge with this post right now ;)

You can add as many as you like, but hopefully not too many in one go. I think it’s more enjoyable for him if he gets to see the numbers build up. Impossible for him to keep on top of them all and just more and more horny and frustrated as the night goes on until he is just a drooling, dripping horny mess

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:27 AM
That sounds deliciously devious :D

An edge using your non-dominant hand for you

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:29 AM
Adding another edge with your ass plugged with the medium plug and one leg raised above your crotch (can you a table or such)

Hotsassysarah
11-15-2021, 06:34 AM
Really loving your creativity and how sadistic you are

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:35 AM
Really loving your creativity and how sadistic you are
Thank you ^^ It’s been a while since I’ve had such fun


Another normal edge

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:39 AM
Not sure if you can do this, so don’t injure yourself or something.

But the idea is for you to edge with your precum dripping over yourself. So lie on your back and then raise your legs above you such that your penis is above your face so you drip precum all over yourself.

Again, don’t injure yourself trying this. If you cannot do this, do a regular edge for this post instead.

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:47 AM
Another regular edge from me

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:49 AM
Oh, here’s what you should do: when all edges (regular and special when possible) are done, try doing it over a bowl so that you collect all your precum. Once you are done with all your edges, smear all the collected precum over yourself and edge one additional time.

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 06:56 AM
I’ll add another regular edge, please ^^

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 07:02 AM
Oohhhh, those are some humiliating ideas.

Some info you need to have:
* I have to wear my HUSH (online controlled plug) all the time
*I have to wear a condom all the time to collect whatever will come out. Until now I was supposed to eat it afterwards.

Thank you all so far for your creative ideas.

Current status:
0 / 6 completed, double counting not decided yet

specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x one last edge after either eating or smearing all precum into my face

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 07:25 AM
Oh then the earlier idea is moot. Enjoy eating it all up ;)

Here’s another edge for your then

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 07:52 AM
Been a while … here’s one more edge for you :D

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 08:29 AM
Thank you so much for your edges.
I am looking forward to be allowed to touch myself again.
The eating has been also confirmed by my Miss.

Current status:
0 / 8 completed, double counting not decided yet

specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 09:46 AM
is it closed? If not, here's one more ;)

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 09:51 AM
No, it hasn't been closed.
If my Mistress allows me the same time frame as last time it will get closed in the early morning after I woke up. So it might stay even open during my sleeping periode.I will close it via a post.

Thanks for the edge!
I really hope I can win the 5 minutes HUSH challenge

Current status:
0 / 9 completed, double counting not decided yet

specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 09:57 AM
well, I'll add another edge and hope you don't? win ;)

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 10:03 AM
Well as I have never been able to edge by it there is a certain possibility. But I will try my best.
Thank you.

Current status:
0 / 10 completed, double counting not decided yet

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 10:09 AM
you're welcome! here's another one

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 10:32 AM
Seems my politeness makes it worse.

Thank you again for being so kind.

Current status:
0 / 11 completed, double counting not decided yet

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 10:33 AM
yes, yes it is! ;) Don't stop being kind though

oh, and here's another one for you

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 10:38 AM
No of course I won't stop. I have learned already that not being polite and say thank you, ends very bad for me.
Aahh that constant raise makes it even worse than just ome post with 5. Everytime my mobile blinks and my mind gets back to this.

Thank for adding to my challenge tonight.

In about 2 1/2 hours I will be able to start working them off. Of course I will be online, in the chat most likely.

Current status:
0 / 12 completed, double counting not decided yet

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 10:58 AM
I think I'll add one more for your tally ^^

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 11:14 AM
another edge done by pausing 10 second after every 30 strokes. Should take you a while.... or not ;)

saltychip
11-15-2021, 11:27 AM
Have another edge squatting with your nose against the wall

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 11:31 AM
Aahh, seems the special ones will be the hardest this time.

The pausing can make an edge quite long - Thank you for this.
And a special thanks tonsaltychips, still open from laste time.

Current status:
0 / 13 completed, double counting not decided yet

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeatin I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 11:43 AM
New edge: two fingers used to jerk off while you fuck your ass with the other hand.;)

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 12:14 PM
Ohh no, please can't I just do normal edges please?

Added your latest one ro the special list - thank you.

Current status:
0 / 13 completed, double counting not decided yet

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 12:39 PM
well, I was going to add one normal edge, but since you asked so nicely, I'll make it 2 this time ;)

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 01:04 PM
Guess i have to say thank you again for being to me.
Starting in a few minutes with your 5 minutes challenge.
Hopefully...otherwise your 2 would hve meant 4

Current status:
0 / 15 completed, double counting not decided yet

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 01:10 PM
Cannot wait to follow your progress :D

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 01:18 PM
Starting my 5 minutes now

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 01:24 PM
Sorry, i couldnt edge just by the HUSH.
Means i have to double all regular from now on.
I am so sorry!

Current status:
0 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
0 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 01:43 PM
Completed a few

Current status:
6 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
1 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
0 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 01:58 PM
Sorry, i couldnt edge just by the HUSH.
Means i have to double all regular from now on.


Aww! How unfortunate... :p

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 02:16 PM
Yes, I tried to avoid that.

Current status:
9 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
0 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
0 / 1 x non dom hand
0 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
0 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 02:22 PM
Do you need to be doing all of these tonight? If you, looks like you're in for a looong night...

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 02:26 PM
I got a deadline that allows me some sleep, however still they all need to be done

Current status:
18 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 03:04 PM
Good going :)

What is the deadline?

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 03:04 PM
The break one has been difficult - thank you for that.
The finger one very humiliating.

Current status:
21 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
0 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 03:14 PM
I see you managed to complete it. Good job! How long did it take you?

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 03:14 PM
That would be a mximum of 2:30 am. However I dont hope not to take that long.

Current status:
24 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
0 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 03:26 PM
Oh, thanks; but I meant how long did the edge with the pauses take you?

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 03:28 PM
It took me almost 10 minute to finish the kneeling ones with the nose on the ground - thank you.
Looking back the one with the break was easy compared to that, i had 5 breaks within that.

Current status:
25 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
0 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
2 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 03:35 PM
Hahaha, happy to know you found it humiliating!

I believe Sarah had liked that one as well :D

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 03:45 PM
Yes - she liked it a lot I think.
Was very difficult to find a working position, bit with my ass pushed out I... Get things to work.

Current status:
28 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
1 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
2 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 03:59 PM
Last 2 regular edges completed.
Now the 2 most difficult sounding specials are left

Current status:
30 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
1 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
2 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
0 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
0 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 04:26 PM
Finished the last 2 specials, the squatting was getring on my legs a lot but as I was that horny i edged after a while.
The still hand, - i think I only managed as I did already so many edges before. Its almost impossible to not move the hand accidentally. Used some pillows and build some hand rest.

Now there is only one final for the morning left.

Current status:
30 / 30 completed, edge regular counts double!

Specials
1 / 1 x while sucking my dildo
2 / 2 x on knees and tongue out
1 / 1 x on knees one hand behind head
2 / 2 x kneeling nose on the floor
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers repeating I am cum dripping slut
1 / 1 x in front of a mirror
1 / 1 x kneeling but moving my body instead the hand
1 / 1 x non dom hand
1 / 1 x plugged {anyway} and 1 leg raised
1 / 1 x 10sec pause after 30 strokes
1 / 1 x squatting with nose against wall
1 / 1 x with 2 fingers fucking my ass with the other hand
0 / 1 x one last edge after having eating all precum collected

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 05:13 PM
Wow! You actually did all of those in one night! Amazing ^^

The one for the morning sounds like a good way to begin the day with, haha

SecretSubHusband
11-15-2021, 09:54 PM
Good morning

I just finished the last edge and drank all precum collected. Thank you for all your creative ideas that gave me those 45 edges in total.
A special thanks to theswitchyside - you kept that thing going and I appreciate all the time you invested in this a lot!

Waiting for permission to close this now and hope things stay calm until then.

7am. I am locked in again.
Everything feels and looks so swollen and I want to cum so badly.
The spikes digging into my flesh again

theswitchyside
11-15-2021, 11:59 PM
You're welcome sweetie ^^

Wait, so this isn't closed? Oh to think I could have added some more edges ;)

Hope you enjoy the day

SecretSubHusband
11-16-2021, 12:04 AM
Good morning,

uhm... No technical this isn't close. My Mistress came home late and is still sleeping, so I didn't get permission to close it, yet.

SecretSubHusband
11-16-2021, 08:24 AM
This thread is now closed.

theswitchyside
11-16-2021, 08:39 AM
finally! ^^

Can't wait for you to do another one ;)

SecretSubHusband
11-16-2021, 08:46 AM
Don't mention that too loud or Sarah will hear that.
But I am sure there will be a next one to try out new things on me.

Once again thanks for your creative ideas and input.