DEBATE CORNER Edition 2: Financial Domination, Nudity on Getdare and Mental Health

[soundwave106]

Originally Posted by TheoDares

[findom] it appears to be a taboo subject to many of the members of the corrupt establishment.

From my perspective, findom's one of those areas in BDSM where you can get into some very weird legal gray areas, as far as a website operator might be concerned. As one of many forms of "consensual nonconsent" in BDSM, it can fluctuate between two technically illegal acts (blackmail / extortion and prostitution).

That it is consensual may not matter if someone decides to complain about it to whoever manages the purse strings for that site. Since there's always the risk that an individual "consensual nonconsent" scene turns into a "nonconsensual" one (with the "cue the lawyers" deal that might involve), I can personally see that this might be an issue for more risk averse sort of financial types. I can personally see why this site is "tolerant but wary".

Remember, some parts of the culture are pretty socially conservative. Many people as a whole have an issue with even relatively mild kinks, or even sex as a whole, any sort of nudity, etc. It's why simple nudity -- let alone adult content -- can be an issue with web hosts. Heck the hosting arrangements might be exactly why Getdare is nudity free for all I know.

Recall that Fetlife (which as one of the top fetish sites I'm sure most people here are familiar with) had this very same type of issue with their payments processor over various more "taboo" type kinks.

As an aside, most of the porn crusader types are considered conservative. I think your focus on "liberals ruin everything" is a little weird considering that it's social conservatives that stand the best chance to ruin your chosen kinks. From my perspective I'm more in a "social media is ruining everything" mood these days -- it too often seems to promoting the loudest, generally not very well thought out voices in pretty much everything, and a lot of people are pretty much shutting themselves off to the other side's viewpoint. It's more the extremes that are the issue more than one particular side.

[Wedgiebondagebabe]

Originally Posted by TheoDares

I do think a lot of this can be drawn back to liberal principles and ideas.

Why does everyone jump back into politics? It has nothing to do with politics. I can be a democratic or a republican. I can be conservative or liberal. It does not matter and it does not shape my opinion. My opinion is based on facts, what I learn and my morals. It's the same thing with blaming a generation over another. I think putting people into categories is what starts these debates in the first place and quite frankly it's stupid.

Did you know democrats used to have republican ideals and republicans had democratic ideals? I am not offended by categories, I just wish we would not use them because I feel like belonging to one or the other leaves some of my opinions out of the question and quite frankly I like the opinions I have and while they are not perfect, they should not make me a perfectly gift wrapped package.

[TheoDares]

Originally Posted by soundwave106

From my perspective, findom's one of those areas in BDSM where you can get into some very weird legal gray areas, as far as a website operator might be concerned. As one of many forms of "consensual nonconsent" in BDSM, it can fluctuate between two technically illegal acts (blackmail / extortion and prostitution).

That it is consensual may not matter if someone decides to complain about it to whoever manages the purse strings for that site. Since there's always the risk that an individual "consensual nonconsent" scene turns into a "nonconsensual" one (with the "cue the lawyers" deal that might involve), I can personally see that this might be an issue for more risk averse sort of financial types. I can personally see why this site is "tolerant but wary".

Remember, some parts of the culture are pretty socially conservative. Many people as a whole have an issue with even relatively mild kinks, or even sex as a whole, any sort of nudity, etc. It's why simple nudity -- let alone adult content -- can be an issue with web hosts. Heck the hosting arrangements might be exactly why Getdare is nudity free for all I know.

Recall that Fetlife (which as one of the top fetish sites I'm sure most people here are familiar with) had this very same type of issue with their payments processor over various more "taboo" type kinks.

As an aside, most of the porn crusader types are considered conservative. I think your focus on "liberals ruin everything" is a little weird considering that it's social conservatives that stand the best chance to ruin your chosen kinks. From my perspective I'm more in a "social media is ruining everything" mood these days -- it too often seems to promoting the loudest, generally not very well thought out voices in pretty much everything, and a lot of people are pretty much shutting themselves off to the other side's viewpoint. It's more the extremes that are the issue more than one particular side.

Ah so your taking the debate to a legal standpoint, admittedly - that's a viewpoint I didn't really look into when posting this thread, I won't lie.

[SilverScar]

I just wanted to say grats to bringing politics to completely non-political issues.
Also, grats for bashing liberals then crying for more sexual freedom. Just lol.

I am a conservative (although I don't usually use the term to describe myself, I have much more conservative views than liberal). As a conservative, I think that our most important value is life, and we should protect life at ALL COST. Even if some people abuse the term "Mental Health". Even if you are sick of hearing about it. Millions of lifes are saved in every year (or at least, their life quality is increased a lot) because there is public awareness about Mental Health, availability of professional and non-professional help (friends, family), and people don't have to feel shamed because they are asking for help. Yes, maybe you and some others feel discomfort about that. But millions of lifes worth it.
Yes, it can be done better, we just began the fight: humanity vs. mental issues. It can be done better, but certainly not by judging those who have some emotional problems.

But really, what does it have to do with politics? I didn't know there is a devide in this between conservatives and liberals, I thought both of them wants to fight against mental issues.

Also, about Findom: I'm actually quite glad that getdare is not overrun by a horde of whores, like other sites (I'm looking at you, collarspace, where every second message I get is from a findom woman, when my profile clearly says I'm not interested in women at all... seriously, they are so desperate for money...). There are a lot of sites for findom if you are looking for that. GetDare fills another niche, and I think it's fine like this.

About nudity: yeah I was already here when that decision was made (or at least, has been debated), and the decision to separate the two sites happened because of the laws. It's safer this way for GetDare. I'm not sure if it's safer for the underage kids but even the government doesn't really give a shit about them and they make placebo laws which look like they do something but actually don't, so...
(Btw does english-speaking people use the term "placebo laws"? I don't know, but I guess you understand the meaning.)

[Magnetic]

Originally Posted by RiskyFlame

I'm not sure if your list of steps can actually be applied. Maybe I'm wrong—if so then correct me.

1. Assuming that you mean underage people when you write 'babies', how should we "cut the incoming of babies" exactly? We can hardly ask for visual evidence of their age (licenses and IDs): too much work. Not to mention the tremendous cut in the number of registrants.
2. The minimum age to register on getDare is 18 y/o so the lowest age would be higher than 18 y/o.
3. Again, lots of work for both moderators and the registrant (or reactivator?). Just to be sure we are on the same page, we are talking about verifying each new individual user, right?
4. It's been roughly 6 years and 8 months since getDare changed its minimum of age for users from 13 y/o to 18 y/o. Assuming you couldn't register if you are below 13 y/o before when getDare changed its policy on age, there shouldn't be any underage users left. Yet they are here because it's relatively simple to fake your age.

And about your trick to evade the age of consent of 18 in certain states and countries, you can't use this trick on getDare. This forum is hosted in California, USA, where the legal age of consent is 18 y/o. This age of consent applies to getDare in its whole and for everyone who's on the forum. However, if you take everything that goes on to another place where the age of consent is lower, you can probably do this... I guess.

Hi, RyskyFlame,

My plan was not designed to beat the minimum age of consent. It as designed to work with it.

Suppose I just became 13 today and I celebrated opening my account on GD. Tomorrow you choose to implement my plan.

So, you have to wait 5 years before I am 18.

My plan is to announce that in 5 years you would allow nudity on GetDare on the albums only.

If my basic arithmetic server me right, 13+5=18.

The trick I mentioned will not work. So, it will be 5 years the amount you need to wait.

Now, again, I did am not a lawyer, much less California lawyer on the pedophilia, but it seems to me that it will be enough prove if you require a scanned photo ID with your birthday printed on.

Sorry, I know you where expecting something more detailed. Just so happens that something bad happened to me earlier today and I am at the loss of words.