DEBATE CORNER Edition 2: Financial Domination, Nudity on Getdare and Mental Health

[TheoDares]

Apologies this is late. Was not at home last night.

For far too long has Getdare been littered with weak minded individuals, horny old age pensioners begging for exposure, when what they should be begging for is English Tuition. Too long has this forum been plagued by underage users pretending to be 18 with their "No LIMITS!!!" dares that they don't do. With that being said, it's time for some intelligent debate. It's time for the smart people on the forum to rise! With that, it's time for Debate Corner.

Debate Corner will be a weekly thread on Getdare, coming out every Friday or Saturday depending on your timezone. It will feature three opinions that I hold and then also my argument FOR holding that opinion. The aim of this thread is to encourage some smart conversation, and to encourage some amazing debate that enriches us all! This is an opinion thread and therefore emotions can get high. While passion is great, and I'll certainly be giving some, it's about the smart people in Getdare having fun and debating, not about fighting and argument. So, do you have more brain cells than sex toys? If so, this is the thread for you.

Opinion 1
Financial Domination is okay!

Considering the wide range of fetishes that get explored on Getdare, it’s not a shock that somewhere on the forum - there is someone who is willing to talk to you and explore dares in terms of the same fetish as you. This applies to pretty much all of the kinks and fetishes on the site, but it seems to me - that the one fetish this doesn’t apply to, is Financial Domination. This is a fetish that seems to, not only be overlooked but it borderlines on Kink Shaming with what I see on the forum from members as well as moderators on the site, despite it never officially being made against the rules; it appears to be a taboo subject to many of the members of the corrupt establishment.

BDSM is probably the main, most popular kink on Getdare. Pretty much everyone has got some concept of a Dominant/Submissive fetish on the site, whether this is some type of roleplay that you are into - or simply identifying as a Dom, Top, Handler, Owner, Pet, Sub, Little - whatever it is - domination and submission is ripe on the site. Most men favour femdom; often seeking out Mistresses, that are often in high demand and low supply. You then have some more extreme types of this, such as Exposure and Blackmail - all types of D/S kinks that are experimented with and populised on the forum. If all of these kinks are okay, then I do fail to see what the major issue with Financial Domination is.

Financial Domination is, just like any other D/S relationship, a power play. Where as in Blackmail, information and pictures are surrendered by the submissive, in Financial Domination - currency is surrendered. This can be conducted in a safe manner, however, just like with any Blackmail or Exposure dare, this can also be quite dangerous if not done correctly; but show me a kink that doesn’t apply to. Money is often seen as one of the most important things in the world, if not the most important. It’s the measure of a man so to speak, a crucial divider of class. I see money as the thing that separates us, so for a submissive to surrender this to a dominant, is the sub acknowledging their place as below the dominant.

I am a partaker in Financial Domination, and I always play the role of the top here. Due to Getdare’s “unwritten rules”, I’m not able to take part in this particular kink on the forums and therefore find myself having to go to either Gmail, Kik or Skype in order to take part in this kink. I genuinely fail to see why this is so taboo on the site and think that it is about time we stop kinkshaming Findom and see it for what it is, a regular fetish that is part of the D/s community that a lot of people genuinely enjoy. Pay Piggies are often my favourite slaves to own, and as long as it’s consensual - I fail to see an issue.

Opinion 2
Nudity on Getdare should be allowed

This is an issue that was touched upon last week in the Debate Corner when the topic of Kinktalk was at the forefront. It was revealed that Kinktalk was created as an 18+ counterpart of Getdare when admin Depp found himself with legal troubles that encouraged him to attempt to take the site into a more PG-13 direction. Getdare used to allow users who were 13+ on the site, as it wasn’t as sexualised as it now is - which is rather a shame as there does not seem to be any type of forum or space for 13-17 year olds to partake in dares. Make a Dare was a good platform but closed down a while ago. This is something that perhaps someone should look into making.

We all know full well that there are underaged users on Getdare. Just take a look at some of the posts that people write, or the constant mentions of things such as “Dares to do at school” etc. When joining the site, you have to verify that you are 18-year-old. Failure to disclose this is a fraudulent attempt to violate the Terms and Services of the site. This means that if you say you are 18 and are actually not, you are breaking the law and technically, although not likely, could face prosecution. By now, all users who are supposed to be on the site with accounts should be 18+ and therefore, I see no reason for the ban on nudity that we currently have to continue.

Due to the corrupt establishment, any album I make on the site ends up deleted, even if it has no nudity in it, but hey - I’ll rise against the hate like the Martyr I am. This is because we need the establishment to verify any and all pictures we post to ensure that no nudity gets through onto the server. Kinktalk is very different to this - and acts as the dumping ground for Getdare users who need a place to post their naked images. I believe that we should effectively cut out the middleman of Kinktalk and legalise nudity here on Getdare; the threads anyway are always of this type of nature so I see no reason as to why we can not have pictures of this nature too.

Opinion 3
We have begun glorifying Mental Heath, and it’s wrong.

Okay, I’ve played around with some smaller little topics but from now on, this section of the Debate Corner is going to start looking at some more extreme and proper topics. This week Mental Health and the glorification of it. In line with the social movements of 2016/2017/2018, with liberals beginning to ruin the world, one of the things that have come to the forefront is Mental Health. It’s the idea that it should be talked about, and constantly shoved down everyone’s throats. No longer is it the taboo subject that everyone shied away from, Mental Health has now transformed into the “go to excuse” to explain pretty much every problem in someone's life.

I get that Mental Health is real. I have no quarrels with that. I also get that people who have Mental Health issues deserve help, and guidance with their issues - until they become strong enough to not warrant help. What I don’t get, is why it needs to be shoved down our throats. I can no longer go on my facebook, without seeing 10 statuses from girls feeling the need to tell the world about their problems, blaming their “depression” or their self diagnosed “bipolar”. I can no longer go on my instagram, without seeing wimpy boys crying and moaning and it’s actually doing my head in. Controversial figure in British television, Piers Morgan recently said that people need to “man up” and I completely agree.

I have been diagnosed with three “Mental Health” issues in my lifetime. I’m not willing to go into them here, nor do I feel the need to go into them - but while they affected my life, and while they caused me issues - I still got on with life. I didn’t feel the need to seek attention, and force my issues into everyone's everyday life. I didn’t feel the need to use them as an excuse to get out of my responsibilities. I realised that I had these issues, I manned up and I found ways to deal with them.

With the glorification of Mental Health, people have seemingly begun to believe that it’s “cute” to have a Mental Health disorder… or that it’s the hip new trend for the youngsters: and that’s mainly because it is. Self diagnosing is at an all time high, with everyone thinking they’re a physcologist in the field. People have glorified Mental Health to the point where it’s actually become a trend - and I think I’m just about sick of hearing about people's Mental Health. If it’s that bad - get off your ass, stop crying and do something about it.

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What do YOU think? Is Financial Domination really that different to any other type of domination? Should nudity be allowed on Getdare? Has Mental Health become an excuse for people to not face up to their responsibilities? Comment and let me know your thoughts!

Theodares

[blasie2]

this just seems like a bitchfest to me.
1. Findom from what i see isnt a tabboo here.Its that nobody wants to waste money.Meaning theres responsible people with atleast some sense of worth on here.Many will see findom as the dom being a lazy hoe purely because in most cases they are nobody with a sense of self wants to give up hard earned money.
2. Nudity isnt allowed as while it is now prodominently a adult site it still features the ability for minors to register.Thus in keeping with international laws can not give pornopgrahic images to minors.If you want getDare to continue and not get shut down hush.

3. Mental health.Now this is a topic which i dont want to even break on.You say people need to toughen up yes many do.But to blame mental health? thats low...like fucking low.I know of atleast 2 others besides myself who have problems with this shit.And thats just in real life.I know another with diagnosed bi-polar from a doctor.And yet my facebook is never got whiny shits on it.Instead i have to see all my mates saying goodbye to their friends because they've committed suicide.In 2017 5 people that my friends knew committed suicide.So kindly take your "were shoving mental health down peoples throat BS and fuck off.The reason you think its being shoved down your throat is because it is now a visible topic that people can discuss.Same with how in australia people thought the "safe school"(aus equivalent to the lgbtq alliance things you guys have in usa) was brainwashing their kids into accepting lgbtq.Purely because a topic that wasnt spoken about was now being spoken about.So take you crap elsewhere when mental health is involved.

[atownesq]

1. Findom- I agree in general that it's "okay" as long as consensual, but disagree with some of your semantics. In particular " it appears to be a taboo subject to many of the members of the corrupt establishment..." I haven't seen any evidence of "corruption" from the "establishment" here, but that's a subject that's probably a bit off topic.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I do believe it is against the rules at least in the personals section. Full disclosure, from a personal perspective, findom is a limit for me. As a top, I just have no interest in taking a subs money. I have a good job and make plenty of my own. As a sub, and moreso as a person, I want to be appreciated for who I am rather than what I can materialistically provide. Sure, I always pay for dates with my gf and I will buy gifts for my Domme, etc, but when it's demanded as a requirement of the relationship, it's a turn-off. I actually agree with your statement that "money divides us," and think we put too much emphasis on it as a society, but that's precisely why allowing it unfettered would be a problem. Look at other sites that allow such (collarspace especially comes to mind) and you will see it quickly becomes overrun with "findoms," many of which are obviously fake. The temptation to try to swindle horny guys with money who aren't thinking straight is too great for many. As I said earlier, like everything else it's fine for consenting adults acting responsibly, but how many people end up just giving away money for nothing in return to people who take the cash and disappear and/or are totally misrepresenting themselves in order to acquire said financial subs?

2. I suspect there are very legitimate legal reasons for not allowing nudity here. You inadvertently made a great argument against it in your initial post. "We all know there are underage users here..." if one accepts that premise, and then allows nudity, the admin has just opened themselves up to a ton of liability. I'm not sure where this site is hosted, but I know in the U.S. you are supposed to have proof of age for any nude pics posted on file if you choose to allow nudity. It would be an administrative headache. In an ideal world, I agree, nudity is natural and really no big deal, and it's kind of silly to have a whole other site in kinktalk that's practically only serving that purpose, but, we don't live an ideal world.

3. If you want intelligent debate, you're going to have to stop making inflammatory, nonsensical statements with no supporting evidence. "with liberals beginning to ruin the world..." Seriously? you lose all credibility when you say shit like that, and I would say the exact same thing if you substituted the word "conservatives" with "liberals." If you want to know who is really "ruining the world" (although I would argue that's extreme hyperbole in and of itself) look in the mirror. It's the people who blindly follow an ideology while demonizing the "other side." Such a statement is pretty ironic coming from someone purporting to encourage "intelligent debate," but I digress...

I take the complete opposite position from you on mental health. Frankly, you are the one who sounds like "wimpy boy" whining about things you don't like showing up in your facebook and instagram feeds. I say this as a person who thankfully has never had any mental health issues, but lost my grandfather to suicide. There's been a long history of people having mental health issues being perceived as somehow inferior by society. We see it right here in your post, despite your disclaimers. Depression is a disease. Substance addiction is a disease. Social anxiety disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar, ptsd, are all diseases. We wouldn't call someone who has cancer "crazy." We don't shame people who have heart failure. I think the acceptance and realization of mental illness is actually a net positive for society. There are some horrible things that happen in the real world that are directly attributable to mental illness. This may be an unpopular opinion, but you don't shoot up a school or church unless you have some sort of underlying mental illness. For all the talk about gun control in response to mass shooting, what we really need is MORE mental health resources and awareness. You don't take your own life absent some sort of severe depression. You don't rape, molest, or otherwise harm a child without having some sort of mental health issue. Maybe if we remove the stigma associated with being mentally ill, more people will seek and receive treatment before their illness manifest itself in some of the horrible outcomes I've mentioned above. To be clear, I'm not suggesting ALL or even MOST people with mental illnesses have a propensity to do these things.

[TheoDares]

Originally Posted by blasie2

this just seems like a bitchfest to me.
1. Findom from what i see isnt a tabboo here.Its that nobody wants to waste money.Meaning theres responsible people with atleast some sense of worth on here.Many will see findom as the dom being a lazy hoe purely because in most cases they are nobody with a sense of self wants to give up hard earned money.
2. Nudity isnt allowed as while it is now prodominently a adult site it still features the ability for minors to register.Thus in keeping with international laws can not give pornopgrahic images to minors.If you want getDare to continue and not get shut down hush.

3. Mental health.Now this is a topic which i dont want to even break on.You say people need to toughen up yes many do.But to blame mental health? thats low...like fucking low.I know of atleast 2 others besides myself who have problems with this shit.And thats just in real life.I know another with diagnosed bi-polar from a doctor.And yet my facebook is never got whiny shits on it.Instead i have to see all my mates saying goodbye to their friends because they've committed suicide.In 2017 5 people that my friends knew committed suicide.So kindly take your "were shoving mental health down peoples throat BS and fuck off.The reason you think its being shoved down your throat is because it is now a visible topic that people can discuss.Same with how in australia people thought the "safe school"(aus equivalent to the lgbtq alliance things you guys have in usa) was brainwashing their kids into accepting lgbtq.Purely because a topic that wasnt spoken about was now being spoken about.So take you crap elsewhere when mental health is involved.

I'm wondering if your mentally capable enough to be part of this thread. We're debating here. Discussing ideas - not having fights. If you can not put an argument in a thoughtful and productive way, you are completely free to leave. Findom is banned here. You can not do anything findom in posts, blogs, albums - not even your own signature. How is that not taboo? As for your point about findom doms being "Nobodys" - what do you base this off? Why are dominants who engage in Financial Play lesser people that dominants who do not?

I struggle to see where it is you are getting your information from, but there is not the ability for minors to join this site. If you put a date of birth into the registration form that does not list you as 18 years old, a box comes up telling you that you are not old enough to join. The terms and services of join also clearly state that Getdare is for 18+ only. It also isn't predominately an adult site, it is an adult site. Not sure where you got the misconception that minors are welcome here? Does make me wonder who you've been playing with.

Do you know how to structure a debate? Clearly not. I already said that Mental Health has become a more talked about topic - and it's not talking about it, or accepting it exists that is my issue. It's the fact that it is encouraging more self diagnosis, society seems to be believing that having a Mental Health problem is a "trend", it's being used more and more as an excuse... in fact, every point I've made - you've completely ignored in favour or swearing, ranting and telling personal antidotes that fail to make a point completely.

Originally Posted by atownesq

1. Findom- I agree in general that it's "okay" as long as consensual, but disagree with some of your semantics. In particular " it appears to be a taboo subject to many of the members of the corrupt establishment..." I haven't seen any evidence of "corruption" from the "establishment" here, but that's a subject that's probably a bit off topic.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I do believe it is against the rules at least in the personals section. Full disclosure, from a personal perspective, findom is a limit for me. As a top, I just have no interest in taking a subs money. I have a good job and make plenty of my own. As a sub, and moreso as a person, I want to be appreciated for who I am rather than what I can materialistically provide. Sure, I always pay for dates with my gf and I will buy gifts for my Domme, etc, but when it's demanded as a requirement of the relationship, it's a turn-off. I actually agree with your statement that "money divides us," and think we put too much emphasis on it as a society, but that's precisely why allowing it unfettered would be a problem. Look at other sites that allow such (collarspace especially comes to mind) and you will see it quickly becomes overrun with "findoms," many of which are obviously fake. The temptation to try to swindle horny guys with money who aren't thinking straight is too great for many. As I said earlier, like everything else it's fine for consenting adults acting responsibly, but how many people end up just giving away money for nothing in return to people who take the cash and disappear and/or are totally misrepresenting themselves in order to acquire said financial subs?

2. I suspect there are very legitimate legal reasons for not allowing nudity here. You inadvertently made a great argument against it in your initial post. "We all know there are underage users here..." if one accepts that premise, and then allows nudity, the admin has just opened themselves up to a ton of liability. I'm not sure where this site is hosted, but I know in the U.S. you are supposed to have proof of age for any nude pics posted on file if you choose to allow nudity. It would be an administrative headache. In an ideal world, I agree, nudity is natural and really no big deal, and it's kind of silly to have a whole other site in kinktalk that's practically only serving that purpose, but, we don't live an ideal world.

3. If you want intelligent debate, you're going to have to stop making inflammatory, nonsensical statements with no supporting evidence. "with liberals beginning to ruin the world..." Seriously? you lose all credibility when you say shit like that, and I would say the exact same thing if you substituted the word "conservatives" with "liberals." If you want to know who is really "ruining the world" (although I would argue that's extreme hyperbole in and of itself) look in the mirror. It's the people who blindly follow an ideology while demonizing the "other side." Such a statement is pretty ironic coming from someone purporting to encourage "intelligent debate," but I digress...

I take the complete opposite position from you on mental health. Frankly, you are the one who sounds like "wimpy boy" whining about things you don't like showing up in your facebook and instagram feeds. I say this as a person who thankfully has never had any mental health issues, but lost my grandfather to suicide. There's been a long history of people having mental health issues being perceived as somehow inferior by society. We see it right here in your post, despite your disclaimers. Depression is a disease. Substance addiction is a disease. Social anxiety disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar, ptsd, are all diseases. We wouldn't call someone who has cancer "crazy." We don't shame people who have heart failure. I think the acceptance and realization of mental illness is actually a net positive for society. There are some horrible things that happen in the real world that are directly attributable to mental illness. This may be an unpopular opinion, but you don't shoot up a school or church unless you have some sort of underlying mental illness. For all the talk about gun control in response to mass shooting, what we really need is MORE mental health resources and awareness. You don't take your own life absent some sort of severe depression. You don't rape, molest, or otherwise harm a child without having some sort of mental health issue. Maybe if we remove the stigma associated with being mentally ill, more people will seek and receive treatment before their illness manifest itself in some of the horrible outcomes I've mentioned above. To be clear, I'm not suggesting ALL or even MOST people with mental illnesses have a propensity to do these things.

No problem, allow me to explain? Findom isn't officially against the Getdare Rules, however certain moderators have attempted to outlaw it despite no administrator ever coming out and claiming to have an issue with it. Whether it's deleting peoples personal things such as blogs, signatures or albums for example - some people are enforcing a rule that doesn't exist; merely because they don't like the fetish. I'm not a fan of Scat. If I went around the forum deleting every mention of Scat, would I be corrupt in what I was doing? I believe I would be.

Okay, I don't see how the legal liability would be on us as we take every measure possible to ensure that minors are not on the site. Whether that's via constant checks in the registration process - or whether that's the moderators themselves banning the underage users. We're hosted by the same site as Kinktalk, which is vBulleton. With that in mind, it's not the host that prevents us from being able to show nudity, as it's evidently allowed with Kinktalk.

As for not having supporting evidence of the Liberal disease running through the world, I can certainly suggest some. Perhaps we should begin with the Social Persecution of belief systems and ideologies that has become rampant since the recent Social Justice Warrior craze. Perhaps we should look at how liberals are inspiring more Government control and regulations, for example - looking at taxes as they believe that they can spend your money, better than you can. Nethertheless, the argument isn't about liberals - it's about Mental Health, so let's move on.

I think you've missed my point completely on Mental Health. I'm happy that it's raised awareness. I'm happy that it's talked about and people are getting the help that they deserve to get. I'll say it again - It's the fact that it is encouraging more self diagnosis, society seems to be believing that having a Mental Health problem is a "trend", it's being used more and more as an excuse... in fact, every point I've made - you've completely missed.

[blootys]

Originally Posted by TheoDares

I'm wondering if your mentally capable enough to be part of this thread. We're debating here. Discussing ideas - not having fights. If you can not put an argument in a thoughtful and productive way, you are completely free to leave.

I can't think when I last read a statement so utterly lacking in self-awareness.

[blasie2]

A discussion is always met with a argument. You have indeed named this the debate corner which implies there is atleast one other side which will always generate an argument to counter the initially put information. If it were a discussion I would still merely be giving you a reply it is up to personal opinion wether my words can be classed as an argument dependent on the name of which you have called this thread. You’ll never see a debate with only on opinion.

Finding isn’t banned it’s disliked by moderators there’s a difference and ways to get around corrupt moderators if you had half a brain. Nor can o perceive findom as anything but an excuse to take hard earned money in the form of fetish.indeed most times findoms as perceived on tumblr the only site I’ve found that really feature findom as a legitimate fetish/kink they border on abusive and downright disgraceful doms. The fact that recon doesn’t have findom as a fetish is also saying something.

I could run word games with you all day if I wanted to. But you wouldn’t have the wits to understand nor come up with a decent answer.

You go from blaming politics to saying it’s being shoved down our throats to self diagnosing mental health issues. Kindly make your mind up those “useless antidote” were to prove the effect hat people like you have on general population.

In regards to no minors I joined a few years ago(different account) and you only had to be 13+ to join as at the time it was a simple truth of dare sight that was mainly involved around dares and stories the rules haven’t been changed and thus we aren’t allowed nudity because minors can still use the t&d simulator and view the forum without an account so yes to cover their ass they have to make it not allowed because minors can still view true material

[atownesq]

Originally Posted by TheoDares

No problem, allow me to explain? Findom isn't officially against the Getdare Rules,

http://www.getdare.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=19319

"Money for services is strictly prohibited on getDare.com. We do not provide this site for others to make money, but to have fun. Please report any member that asks for money, gifts or any other form of payment." Case closed on that point.

As for mental health issues, it sounds like your opinion is based on some assumptions you are making based on anecdotal evidence, and that's fine. My experience is different; I haven't really noticed a lot, or any of that sort of thing going on within my social circles. I can think of exactly two people in my social network feeds that have posted about their mental health, and both have been legitimately diagnosed by a professional and are taking medication. Regardless, even accepting your premise, I think it's hard to argue that the cons of normalization/acceptance of the realities of mental disease (a few people using it as an excuse for their actions, and annoying others with self-diagnosis and social media posts), outweighs the pros I outlined above.

[RiskyFlame]

Originally Posted by atownesq

url]http://www.getdare.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=19319[/url]

"Money for services is strictly prohibited on getDare.com. We do not provide this site for others to make money, but to have fun. Please report any member that asks for money, gifts or any other form of payment." Case closed on that point.

RIGHT! It is even written in the general getDare posting rules: "Don't use this site to advertise any service or site you may have." Although, it's a bit more vaguely described here. And to clarify, I'm into findom as well (as bottom) but that doesn't influence my decisions on the subject.

Also... did I just read a confession?

Originally Posted by TheoDares

I am a partaker in Financial Domination, and I always play the role of the top here. Due to Getdare’s “unwritten rules”, I’m not able to take part in this particular kink on the forums and therefore find myself having to go to either Gmail, Kik or Skype in order to take part in this kink.

Lastly, it seems to me that you're just bitching about people on Facebook and Instagram. If you don't like the feed that you get on those websites, why are you even still on them? Also, I don't have any problems with FB and IG regarding mental health posts and stuff but only because I'm not using FB and IG.

[Terminal]

I totally agree with what some people said about your last debate corner. It's a bitchfest.
There were always people who self-diagnose and tell everyone about that because they want to feel special. Liberals had nothing to do with that, nor did the "Glorification" of Mental Health. It was something that has always been there, so you need to suck it up and deal with it.

[Norguy]

I hate to go personal on debates, but reading this I just couldnt help myself. I'll try to be on point and to the case, but no promises.

You present this as (far as I can see) a debate and a discussion, where it seems like you just want your own place to rant and try to force people to agree with you.

About the whole findom thing
First of all, the admins of this forum is free to put whatever they want into the rules and enforce it in whatever way they see fit.
Secondly, from what findom I've seen on here the persons that advertise it (briefly) usually posts adds with little to no info, or misleading kinks and limits and only presents the findom aspect after contact.
To end this, this may be because I have no interest in findom and don't really "get" it. But most findommes I've seen around seems like people who throw out a couple of lines of chat and then require you to empty your pockets for them. Again, this may vary from domme to domme, but the trend doesn't seem very good to me and I wouldn't want some poor guy who just wanted some kinky time to end up in financial troubles because shit got out of hand.

We all know full well that there are underaged users on Getdare.

If any of the admins have come to the same conclusion as you, it's a fair choice to not allow nudity on here. It saves them a hell of a lot of problems and keeps their hands clean.

Due to the corrupt establishment [...] like the Martyr I am.

First off, throwing out edgy and anarchistic comments won't help you in a debate. Present your case, facts and other reasons why your point of view is "right". And also, presenting yourself as some self sacrificing martyr and a "better than others" only makes me (and I'm guessing other people) not wanting to agree with you.

I can no longer go on my instagram, without seeing wimpy boys crying and moaning and it’s actually doing my head in.

You should really spend some time to curate your social media or leave it if this keeps you from being able to use it.

I realised that I had these issues, I manned up and I found ways to deal with them.

Great, creds to you. The thing with mental issues is that there isn't one magical "fix it all" for them. For some, exercise and better diet works as a cure, others meds or therapy. I can agree that there is a lot of people on social media that are crying for attention, but I don't think that people with serious issues should shut the fuck up because of it.


To end this off, I would advice you to try and approach subjects in the future with a pinch less salt and present subjects in a factual way and keep the anger/edgyness on low.


peace

[smurfette1400]

Magnetic's slave never gave this topic much thought. she would never really think of doing this because its not like having another person know your deepest secrets. She thinks that have someone know her deepest secrets is more submissive than having someone control your financial freedom.

Nudity is more of a moral question than anything else. Is is our responsibility to protect minors from posting nudity or should we say it is there fault, they are the ones who lied about their age. While Magnetic's slave sees your point, she thinks that here we shouldn't allow nudity because there are minor who lie about their age. And yes there are many other platforms where if they really wanted to they could, but aren't we still eliminated one option.

Mental Health is a topic that is very important to Magnetic's slave. Although I think that people do fake disorders to avoid things, who is to say they aren't faking it. There are mental illnesses dedicated to having real symptoms but no cause and over exaggerating symptoms. And most people who have depression or anxiety don't talk about their disorder until after they have recovered simply because they have convinced themselves that nobody cares. This style of thinking is fatal for some people or can lead to permanent physical damage. The suicide rate has been increasing so maybe not talking about mental health topics is the flaw in our reasoning. Maybe we need treat mental health like we treat physical health.

[Magnetic]

Ok, I wll give my opinion on all 3 subjects, if anybody wants to continue a decent discussion, be my guest. If any fucking libtards want to impose their opinions on me and anybody else... maybe Hillary would be interested i fucking you... After all, she did try to fuck everybody else! So why not you?

Findom

For me, findom is not only ok, it is a must of any real self respecting Master, not Dom, that will demand out of his slave girls, not sub girls.

Why?

Slavery implies total ownership, total and complete ownership. In every area of her life. Both sexual and nonsexual, it is all the Master's. A slave is nothing but property, and should be very aware of that fact.

Of course, a major part of total and complete domination is financial domination. Without it, you do not get the total control you where looking for.

Now, real findom is not taking out of the slave girl's earnings. That is not what real findom, what should be the target of every Master, is all about.

If you say stupid things such as "I do not want to take of my slave's hard earned money, I make enough on my own!" it means that you do not have the slightest idea what real findom is!

True, taking your slave girl's money is a valid way of findom, and could well be done to demonstrate ownership over everything the slave girl has... But that is not where the real findom lies. There is a much higher way.

What's the real findom, you may ask?

You obtain the real findom when you order your slave girl to quit her job, so she has no earnings on her own, and you send her the money for her upkeep. And you demand her a very detailed report on every penny she spent.

Now, lets say that you are working on to get to that point. That, for A or B reason, she cannot enter yet into real findom.

Is there any other way you can practice findom with her, beyond the taking of her money?

Yes, of course there is!

You can control the way she spends her money!

Of course, since she is your slave, it is not her money she is spending, but yours!

For example, say she was saving to buy a new high price skirt, and you force her to redirect it towards a new sex toy... Isn't that findom?

Sure is... You, as a Master, made a financial decision for your slave girl, when she was planning to give it some other use, she instead chose to submit to you and she used her money for what you wanted instead of what she had chosen for herself...

Is that not a basic form of findom?

Nudity

Of course it should!

At the very list, getDare should realize that it hurts its users by having all these stupid rules, and it should at least start on a reasonable migration path to only adults who can enjoy nudity.

How?

1. Immediately cut the incoming of babies as new members, this should be done immediately.
2. Get the age of every member, the smallest one is the one who counts.
3. Invalidate the passwords of anyone over... say... 6 months of disuse. As part of the reactivation purpose of a deactivated account for disuse, you require a proof that you are 18 or older...
4. Let time run its course. Say that somebody get a GetDare account on his 13th birthday and he managed to keep active so he did not fall in the disuse trap, that is a wort case scenario... in this case, you will be free of babies in 5 years.

Note, however that this would not be necessary everywhere. For example, the age of consent for sex is 15 years in Ontario, Canada. I could right now go to Ontario, grab a consenting girl, and give her the most humiliation, painful and exciting experience in her life... It would not be pedophilia. But if the same girl travels to Wisconsin (the legal age of consent there is 18), and I just touch her private organs, then it would be. GetDare could use this also to try to decrease the amount of time having to endure the weight of all those babies.

Of course, they would only do this if they cared about us...which they don't!

Mental Health

While mental health is a problem that should be considered seriously, it should not be taken as a libtard would say:

"O no, do not hurt her feelings, those are too fragile! aboo... aboo"

All the time, they said this they keep the pacifier on their mouth and their mom's tit's nearby.

Real mental issues, yes, but imaginary?

[little pet]

Maybe...just...you know....

[Wedgiebondagebabe]

Playing devil's advocate is a favorite pastime of mine, but in this case, it is not a stretch from my true opinions. I know some of the responses above just sound angry. I hope that is not where my response comes from.

Findom:

My personal opinion is that I will never give up control of money at least to the point of 100% control. I might say here is 50 dollars tell me what to buy, but I do not really look at that as findom in the sense I know the word.

It is a kink I do not have much of an understanding of, but to me it seems in a similar realm to blackmail. I think if you choose it as a kink, there is to be a lot of trust and respect. Also since there is a high chance of very personal and sensitive information being shared, I do not personally think that it really belongs on a web forum where a lot of people get their kicks and leave. To me, that is not shaming the kink, but instead protecting a lot of the undereducated horn balls on this site from either taking advantage of someone who really wants to try it or trying something stupid themselves and losing everything.

Basically, if it is a kink you want to enjoy, fine, but if what RiskyFlame says is true, then I do not understand why you would want to deal with 2 comment people who just want to drain your finances. But in the end, if you like findom, be safe, sane, and consensual and I would probably make sure you have a legally binding contract in case crap hits the fan. This is not something I would take lightly and I would make sure my ass would be covered from either side in a state of law. Only supporting why I think if I ever did do this type of play, it would be with someone in person or at least that I had more of a chance of knowing then a quick getDare post or comment.

Nudity

I have stated this on my previous post to your debate threads. Honestly, I am perfectly fine with no nudity on this site. If I wanted to see dicks, I would go look at porn, google them, or ask for a picture from my play partner if I have one. I think allowing nudity on the site would make it harder to go through my pm messages without wanting to leave the site all together. Most of the males on this site do not have the chance to get unsolicited messages asking to dom them, punish them, and everything else that the horny population can come up with. I think the ratio is like 25:1 for how many messages coming through being another female. Even then though, it is a real possibility that the female is a male.

I also agree with what is said above. It is a site that has no way to limit 18+ use. You can see the albums and forums without an account. Plus. I think that there are already a lot of dare request posts and punishment threads, if you want an argument on how getDare has spanned from the original intention of the site, lets talk about how no one posts dare threads anymore. Even when they are posted, they are usually written for males or include many of the common limits that people have. I.E. Wedgie dice dares, they always have an exhibition component and/or have ridiculous time limits. But back on topic, I think overall adding nudity would just make this a site where myself personally would stop using it all together in the discontent of what might be coming into my pm box in the future.

Mental Illness

Let's realize mental illness is a real thing that many people are struggling from. We all have different ways of dealing with it and getting through it. Some of us can recover in silence and by ourselves, but more often than not, we need someone to idolize and help us through it. For me, it was a friend that had committed suicide that made me promise myself to not have a similar fate. I look to Demi Lovato for her songs of home and to see her journey in coping. I find her inspirational and Warrior has been my go to on many occasions when I feel down. But there are a couple simple ways to avoid it if you are really sick of it. First, Facebook has an unfollow option. That means you can stay friends with a person, but you will not see their posts in your feed. Second, if you really cannot stand it, then unfriend them. I find that people might be more vocal on Facebook, but they tend to be the same person they are in real life. So if you cannot tolerate a person on Facebook or in real life, well then the problem might be that you do not want to be friends anymore.

I personally find that from time to time, posting or sharing an image I have seen as either a positive quote, or inspirational story, is helpful to me. It is also my way of letting my dad know my emotions without letting the world know. My dad knows when I post things like this is when I feel low and being almost 6 hours away, it keeps him updated when I might not have the time to call. I also do it for myself. If I have negative things on my page, then posting an image or quote is my way of spreading a little positivity. I have taken so long to open up about my personal issues that if someone told me it bothered them to see me talk about it, I would tell that person to get out of my life. It takes a lot of guts to share your struggles and ask for help. Silencing someone with a mental illness sends them back to where they started and then leaves them feeling more hopeless and lost then they were in the first place.

I agree that people overshare on facebook. They talk too much about every little detail on their feeds. I understand where you're coming from with that point, but by no means should we be silencing people. In fact, we should be encouraging people to talk. I have found more peace talking to the people I care about and that care about me that it does help. Sharing some of it on Facebook also shows me that I am not an outcast in my family and friend groups. We often forget who has our back and it often surprises me the people that stand up and ask if you are okay.

Instead of shaming the idea of mental illness, why not support those struggling? Didn't you say in your original post that you hate the idea of findom being shamed, but yet you are totally okay with the idea of mental illness being shamed? How about we don't shame people ideals and struggles on both sides. There is a lot of work that has to be done with mental illness. I am equally fed up with people using it as an excuse, but if someone really is struggling, then I want to know so I can help them do something better if I can. Shaming mental illness as a whole is not the answer.

I have spent time deciding if I want to throw my hat into the ring on this last issue, but I have finally decided I have had enough.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martyr

Martyr:
"a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion"
or
"a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle"
or
"to put to death for adhering to a belief, faith, or profession"

There is only one definition that came up that I feel relates to your "cause" and that goes as follows:
a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

[atownesq]

Originally Posted by Magnetic

Ok, I wll give my opinion on all 3 subjects, if anybody wants to continue a decent discussion, be my guest. If any fucking libtards want to impose their opinions on me and anybody else... maybe Hillary would be interested i fucking you... After all, she did try to fuck everybody else! So why not you?

Seriously? I stopped reading this post at this point. What in the world do any of these topics have to do with politics? Why must we politicize EVERYTHING? And why are so many conservatives still so angry? You WON, YOUR guy is in charge now (I'm assuming you're in the US due to the Hillary reference), shouldn't you be happy? Oh, and stating an opinion on a message board is not "imposing" an opinion on anyone ("imposing" is what your side tries to do with archaic laws regulating morality ie opposing gay marriage, abortion, even Sunday liquor sales in some parts of the country, but I digress). As a "libtard" I'll post my opinions wherever I damned well please, and if you don't like it, don't read it, snowflake.